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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: Classy on January 19, 2014, 10:38:12 am
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I was wondering if anyone knew where this bowl came from and if I could translate the name to do some research, it looks like it's hand en-scribed to me. Please let me know what you think?
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This should be right up Khatabantiques...st reet....if and when he returns....
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This should be right up Khatabantiques...st reet....if and when he returns....
Thanks I'll keep an eye for him, I'm not even sure what metal it is, it weighs 1.6kg or 56oz
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i would say its copper,what size is it...apart from being over 3lb in weight,.....which is a fair amount of metal for a bowl....
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Diameter is 21cm or 8.2 inches
Height is 11cm or 4.3 inches
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any ideas how I should value this, my research has been pretty poor :)
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at,s a small bowl...considering it weighs over 3lbs....would,nt like it bounced off my noggin....just a pity, the new Egyptian member has,nt popped in....by the size and weight of it i,m thinking it may be a personal finger bowl,...seeing as how ..muslims eat with their fingers, you can try searching along those lines...
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found this one...whilst not the same shape...its telling me.yours is indeed a finger bowl,...they also doubled as a Balti bowl...in some Muslim countries
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=image+search+for+arabic+finger+bowl&newwindow=1&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=MUfcUr60CsSBhAeN2IDoDg&ved=0CFYQsAQ&biw=1333&bih=608#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=P--maCbq--VFiM%253A%3BIijavsuWpWuXaM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fi.ebayimg.com%252Ft%252FAntique-19thC-Mamluk-Revival-Islamic-Cairoware-Silver-Copper-Brass-Finger-Bowl-%252F00%252Fs%252FOTEyWDE2MDA%25253D%252Fz%252FHlQAAMXQwKdRc-IL%252F%252524T2eC16d%252C!%29sE9swm%252Cvh4BRc-IKoMQw~~60_35.JPG%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ebay.co.uk%252Fitm%252FAntique-19thC-Mamluk-Revival-Islamic-Cairoware-Silver-Copper-Brass-Finger-Bowl-%252F370826156506%3B300%3B171
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thi one is half the size of yours....they are saying its an antique....but...yo u can take that with a pinch of salt....yours looks nicer...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Antique-19thC-Mamluk-Revival-Islamic-Cairoware-Silver-Copper-Brass-Finger-Bowl-/370826156506
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wow thanks bigwull really appreciate your help :)
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This bowl is on Ebay for £200.
The characters don't look Arabic. The far left looks more Thai.
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The other bit of the above post.......but..of course..you already know that Classy..... ;D
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Antique-Mamluk-Revival-Islamic-Cairoware-Copper-or-Brass-Finger-Bowl-/231140417417?hash=item35d10adf89
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oooooooooooooo!!...Classy.....or maybe i should call you Pinocchio....."After doing some research this is what I believe to be A fine antique 19thC Mamluk Revival Islamic bowl of hand hammered Brass with Copper & Silver"....now i wonder where you found ....19thC Mamluk Islamic Revival"......need i continue..... ;D ;D ;D ;D....this is, what is called....caught with yer panties down.... ;D
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This bowl is on Ebay for £200.
The characters don't look Arabic. The far left looks more Thai.
You are right they do look Thai. My ex was from Thailand so I am familiar with the culture.
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oooooooooooooo!!...Classy.....or maybe i should call you Pinocchio....."After doing some research this is what I believe to be A fine antique 19thC Mamluk Revival Islamic bowl of hand hammered Brass with Copper & Silver"....now i wonder where you found ....19thC Mamluk Islamic Revival"......need i continue..... ;D ;D ;D ;D....this is, what is called....caught with yer panties down.... ;D
Not really Wullie !! I have done additional research on some items after listing it on ebay !! Not often but occasionally you want to know more to help your sale potential !!
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oooooooooooooo!!...Classy.....or maybe i should call you Pinocchio....."After doing some research this is what I believe to be A fine antique 19thC Mamluk Revival Islamic bowl of hand hammered Brass with Copper & Silver"....now i wonder where you found ....19thC Mamluk Islamic Revival"......need i continue..... ;D ;D ;D ;D....this is, what is called....caught with yer panties down.... ;D
Not really Wullie !! I have done additional research on some items after listing it on ebay !! Not often but occasionally you want to know more to help your sale potential !!
;D..you missed my point Mart,i was not referring to their research....what i,m on about is its source, ...i found it all, and,if you had read the first post on this bowl, ..nowhere has it been called a Mamluk...then i found and posted links,...then hey presto..this bowl has become a rare Mamluk Revival bowl..which its not,.thats what i,m laughing about.....aye...som etimes i wonder aboot you....lots of brains and.......well, i,ll keep that tae maself..... ;D
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Classy, it is helpful to others on the forum if you give the information that you have on an item. The forum members are people that are willing to give of their time/resources to help YOU research YOUR item for FREE! They can either reinforce the findings you have already come to know, or come up with other information for you to reconsider your position of origin and use. We have had too many times over the years people that hide information (for whatever reasons) that come to pass after many have spent hours laboring to HELP! It becomes rather disheartening to many because all we want is the facts, suspicions/stories/background of said items and then research to help reinforce or dispute.
We look forward to continued posts from you and hope that you will be conscientious of those giving of their time.
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Classy, it is helpful to others on the forum if you give the information that you have on an item. The forum members are people that are willing to give of their time/resources to help YOU research YOUR item for FREE! They can either reinforce the findings you have already come to know, or come up with other information for you to reconsider your position of origin and use. We have had too many times over the years people that hide information (for whatever reasons) that come to pass after many have spent hours laboring to HELP! It becomes rather disheartening to many because all we want is the facts, suspicions/stories/background of said items and then research to help reinforce or dispute.
We look forward to continued posts from you and hope that you will be conscientious of those giving of their time.
I think I,m gonna Scream!!.....you,ve missed the point as well KC,....Classy "did Not"...withhold any info....note...did not.....if you,d read my post properly....and that goes for you too...Mart....you will have seen that..i found the link...but....Class y used it to list the bowl on ebay...but the info i found does not pertain to that bowl.....are you still with me.... ;D
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I get it. haha I think someone jumped the gun as we say.
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With Holding info. Is a Common practice, Regardless if it by accident or deliberate.
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With Holding info. Is a Common practice, Regardless if it by accident or deliberate.
..That,s it. i,m Screammmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmming....... no one has witheld any info...if you read the posts..you,ll understand....
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nothing more then a simple comment.
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With Holding info. Is a Common practice, Regardless if it by accident or deliberate.
..That,s it. i,m Screammmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmming....... no one has witheld any info...if you read the posts..you,ll understand....
Here is something to help ya Bigwull
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My best sorta guess , @ the moment .... your item may be Tibetan in origin , as in a 'singing bowl' ... rather ornate for one , but have seen some that were , many moons ago .
You might try giving it a gentle 'thump' with a finger & see if it does have a nice 'mellow' tone to it .
The only thing for sure is that it looks like brass from here , Classy .
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With Holding info. Is a Common practice, Regardless if it by accident or deliberate.
..That,s it. i,m Screammmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmming....... no one has witheld any info...if you read the posts..you,ll understand....
Here is something to help ya Bigwull
Thankyou for that Ice.... ;D.....Looks like me in 1969....out of ma tree, on my first ever tab..of acid....
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Can see the reasoning behind your line of thought...RJ2...but a Tibetan singing bowl...does,nt have a raised foot..and its mouth is the wrong shape,..it would have to be curved in...and not out like this one.....for if it did..it would,nt sing....the base woul;d kill any attempt for the bowl to sing...as would its mouth.....as for it being ..brass....the hue of it is more like copper,..and copper is a good deal more softer than brass,.....and if you look to the left of the inscription you can see what looks like a small dent....with also leads me to think its copper,..coupled with what looks like traces of a white metal inlay...
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I hear you , bigwull .
Looks like brass to me ;) !
Whatever it is , I'd suggest stopping the oxidation & giving it a coat or two of wax or mineral oil as a protectant , Classy (or if you wish , simulate patina with a coat of brown or black shoe polish :-\) .
Kinda wondering how the base (looks stamped-out) is affixed to the body & if this item was stamped-out from sheet , or spun (plus maybe a shot of the bottom of the item) .
Looks modern craft-work (less than 30) to me , all in all , esp when lacking patina & several spots of oxidation here & there .
Would make a good busy 'designer' piece , catch-all or nut bowl in my home (not knocking it , though) !
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oooooooooooooo!!...Classy.....or maybe i should call you Pinocchio....."After doing some research this is what I believe to be A fine antique 19thC Mamluk Revival Islamic bowl of hand hammered Brass with Copper & Silver"....now i wonder where you found ....19thC Mamluk Islamic Revival"......need i continue..... ;D ;D ;D ;D....this is, what is called....caught with yer panties down.... ;D
Not really Wullie !! I have done additional research on some items after listing it on ebay !! Not often but occasionally you want to know more to help your sale potential !!
Yeah I updated it as to be honest I have no clue, everyone has told me a different country, Thailand, India, Eygpt lol everyone says something different, it's a mystery!!
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oooooooooooooo!!...Classy.....or maybe i should call you Pinocchio....."After doing some research this is what I believe to be A fine antique 19thC Mamluk Revival Islamic bowl of hand hammered Brass with Copper & Silver"....now i wonder where you found ....19thC Mamluk Islamic Revival"......need i continue..... ;D ;D ;D ;D....this is, what is called....caught with yer panties down.... ;D
Not really Wullie !! I have done additional research on some items after listing it on ebay !! Not often but occasionally you want to know more to help your sale potential !!
Yeah I updated it as to be honest I have no clue, everyone has told me a different country, Thailand, India, Eygpt lol everyone says something different, it's a mystery!!
First character on the left looks Thai. I think it's far more likely to be Thai, Vietnamese, Cambodian etc than Arabic. Those little flicks and straight lines are not Arabic.
Interesting to find out but i expect will have very little influence on the value. Seems quite modern
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oooooooooooooo!!...Classy.....or maybe i should call you Pinocchio....."After doing some research this is what I believe to be A fine antique 19thC Mamluk Revival Islamic bowl of hand hammered Brass with Copper & Silver"....now i wonder where you found ....19thC Mamluk Islamic Revival"......need i continue..... ;D ;D ;D ;D....this is, what is called....caught with yer panties down.... ;D
Not really Wullie !! I have done additional research on some items after listing it on ebay !! Not often but occasionally you want to know more to help your sale potential !!
Yeah I updated it as to be honest I have no clue, everyone has told me a different country, Thailand, India, Eygpt lol everyone says something different, it's a mystery!!
:D ....correction..... we never tell anyone..that what they have is exactly what we say...unless we see an exact copy in black & white ..before our own eyes....then we can say catagorically...yes this is ....yes ...you have....whatever it is.....
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oooooooooooooo!!...Classy.....or maybe i should call you Pinocchio....."After doing some research this is what I believe to be A fine antique 19thC Mamluk Revival Islamic bowl of hand hammered Brass with Copper & Silver"....now i wonder where you found ....19thC Mamluk Islamic Revival"......need i continue..... ;D ;D ;D ;D....this is, what is called....caught with yer panties down.... ;D
Not really Wullie !! I have done additional research on some items after listing it on ebay !! Not often but occasionally you want to know more to help your sale potential !!
Here are some Thai Consonants They are comparable http://stujay.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Thai-Consonant-Map-2.0-Stuart-Jay-Raj_Page_2.jpg
Yeah I updated it as to be honest I have no clue, everyone has told me a different country, Thailand, India, Eygpt lol everyone says something different, it's a mystery!!
First character on the left looks Thai. I think it's far more likely to be Thai, Vietnamese, Cambodian etc than Arabic. Those little flicks and straight lines are not Arabic.
Interesting to find out but i expect will have very little influence on the value. Seems quite modern
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Thanks for everyone's help, especially bigwull.
I never hid any information though, I listed the item after misreading bigwull's research (taking it literally) apologise for that.
I updated the item http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=231140417417
Thanks again and have a good weekend all