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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: rdelgallo on March 07, 2014, 01:50:39 pm
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Hi Everyone!
I just found an original hand drawn/painted Allan Rohan Crite (1910-2007) art!
It is signed, titled, and dated 1982! He specialized in African American, Religious, and Spiritual art!
I cant believe it!
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Post a pic so we can see it !!
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The pics uploaded! I didn't think they were going too.
The bad quality of the photo is because of my phone. The colors are much brighter in person!
Mint Condition!
This art is typically not my style but the uniqueness of it caught my eye and I am sure glad it did!
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I apologize for the bad quality. Whenever I try uploading pictures from my camera the file is to large so I had to use my phone.
The colors are much brighter than what appears. Mint Condition!
I did some research on this piece and it is rare, in many museums and NY Art Galleries.
Estimated Value: $2,000 to $3,000
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And where did you find this??? :)
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At the Goodwill for $6 ;D
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What kind of paper is it on ?? Hard to tell if its original art or a print !! What is the name of it ??
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I have not taken it out of the frame to see what kind of paper, if I do, is there a way to tell or what to look for?
The title is: Old and Young Wisdom and Dreams
I was looking at the value of it under invaluable.com art auction site.
Also, artvalue.com has the same estimates.
When you search it, it is paired a lot with another work of his titled: Bride of The Sun
It is signed and dated 1982, does not show any marks as being a print as far as I can see.
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I am 99% it is an original.
Just took it out of the frame and it is on a thin paper to where you can see the actual ink and paint colors through it.
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Again, hard to see due to my phone quality. I have much better pictures on my camera.
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Can you not upload from your camera to your PC, resize them for web/e-mail and then upload them to this site?
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Thin paper would indicate a print,, watercolor paper or other drawing papers would be thicker !! I saw other prints like this one !! But if I read correctly,,he made some of his own prints !! Are there any numbers on the piece stating the run production ??
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No numbers indicating a production print.
To me it looks like it was actually done on this paper due to the variations of darkness on the back. To where you could see more color would be needed to create a darker spot and where his brush strokes would have began. I would think a print would have been uniform on the back if it was 'printed' and not have indicated this detail. But again, I am no expert on this at all.
Can you link me to where you were reading this info? I spent hours looking online and did not see any prints made of this particular piece, it was actually difficult to locate from the beginning.
I did find a few dealers/art galleries who posted wanted ads for his work so I emailed them some pictures. Hopefully I will hear back this week.
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Can you not upload from your camera to your PC, resize them for web/e-mail and then upload them to this site?
I can upload from my camera to the computer and save them. I tried this but they still would not load for some reason.
I am not sure how to resize pictures.
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What photo imaging program is on your computer ?? You can use that to resize them!!
What size is this painting ?? The one that you saw that sold was 9 1/4 inches by 7 3/4 inches !! Its estimate was $2000. to $3000. This is one of a two part set I think !! Couldn`t see what it actually sold for !!
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That is the size of this, same exact thing that the websites had.
And yes, $2,000 to $3,000 for the pair with the other piece called 'Bride of The Sun' or "Sun Goddess'. I cannot remember the exact name.
So I would assume if this is a real piece from him, about a $1,500 value currently.
Can only increase since he passed away seven years ago.
It shows no signs of production prints by being numbered or anything. No copyright stamps, company stamps, etc.
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Why don`t you take it to an art gallery and let them look at it !! Or email a pic to one of the galleries that specialize in African American art !!
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I had emailed some photos to three galleries in NJ, CA, and MA. They had actually posted wanted ads on a website for some of this artists work, I am hoping to hear something back this week ;D
Wish me luck! I am hoping it is real lol
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Good luck and let us know what they say !!
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That is the size of this, same exact thing that the websites had.
And yes, $2,000 to $3,000 for the pair with the other piece called 'Bride of The Sun' or "Sun Goddess'. I cannot remember the exact name.
So I would assume if this is a real piece from him, about a $1,500 value currently.
Can only increase since he passed away seven years ago.
It shows no signs of production prints by being numbered or anything. No copyright stamps, company stamps, etc.
That was for two original watercolours. Hammer price was $1,320
This is a print or a copy. On the item sold by Swann Galleries, the yellow goes beyond the border in areas which they do not on yours - particularly the lady's lower left arm and in the bottom corner. On yours, there is a band of white between the outline of his left shoulder and the yellow. On Swann's, there is no white band.
On yours, the yellow within her dress is similar to that elsewhere. On Swann's, it is much darker - like an orange colour
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On some of the areas, the yellow does go beyond the borders. The pic is very unclear but I do see what you mean by the orangeish shade. Maybe it is still a copy from him?
I wasn't expecting it to be the actual original, I know a museum or gallery would already have that but I would be VERY happy if it is still a real one done by him.
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Somewhere I read in a bio that he did some things on an old fashioned mimeograph machine !! Just not sure what or if I read correctly !!
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Mart, that is interesting but I have no idea what that is.
Can you explain?
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Two things you possibly have in your favour :
1 ) I can find no prints of this work online. All search results on Google lead back to the Swann Galleries auction.
2 ) Why fake it with the obvious differences i mentioned ? In fact, why fake it at all ? (
Mart pointed out that he used a mimeograph - i found the interview where he mentions this and he also talks about linoleum blocks or linocuts.
If he dabbled around with printing this might be one. Could even just be a one off he did for someone or a test piece.
Concievable that it's a print by the artist. Like i said earlier, it's an outside chance but the odds could be shortening.
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I am very curious to find out the meaning behind this piece even more now!
I just emailed Swann Galleries to see what they may have to say.
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I thought this looked similar to a lino,,not as rough as a wood block,, but pics are not the best !!
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rdelgallo, a mimeograph machine used a stencil to reproduce. The stencil would wrap around a drum. It was a hand cranked device. But this doesn't look like it to me...but then I am not there with a hands-on inspection.
Mart, I don't believe they had all of those colors as well for mimeograph.
Believe me, I can remember helping my mom make copies of things at church and cranking and cranking and cranking.
You had to catch the printed pieces really quickly and move them because they were still wet and would smear or stick to the next one when it came off. I can remember when they finally got a "dry" mimeograph machine...and then finally...A COPY MACHINE! :)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DIykZERl14c/UEzszxuikjI/AAAAAAAAAaY/tMuEfCLNvys/s1600/Spirit+Duplicator.jpg)
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Interesting story KC. Thank you for that information. I guess that was way before my time period, I've never heard of one lol
I even tried putting the photos into a word document and uploading that but it still woukld not load for some reason :-\
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But if its a lino print, that roller would work well and sure speed the process up !! Should have read the entire thing but I didn`t !!
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I have started hearing back from some galleries and one in Boston will get back to me later this week or next about possibly purchasing the work.
Swann Galleries Responded with this:
"I don't have any more specific information regarding this piece. You are right - we had sold another work of the same subject. It was actually a lot with a pair - there was also another different image, "Bride of the Sun". So it appears that they are hand-colored but the line drawing is an off-set lithograph.
Crite often made off-set lithographs of his ink drawings and linocuts. He would later embellish them with watercolor, gouache or gold-leaf. They are often hard to distinguish from the originals."
The gentlemen I was speaking with says, "THEY are hand colored" but the lines are from a lithograph. I am taking this as the ones that Swann sold were like this one as well. Therefore this is a genuinely painted Crite piece where a similar one sold for over $1,300.
I emailed him back asking for a estimated value to see what he says.
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Very interesting !! Let us know when you hear from them !! Hope it turns out to be a good one !!
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I was also informed that this is not numbered because Crite did not perceive them as being a limited edition/print since he was still painting them.
Since each one is still hand painted, they are all different. With hours of searching, I still have not seen ANY others online so I am assuming there are not many out there.
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I received a value amount.
I currently have an asking price of $750.
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From who ??
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Swann Galleries gave me a value amount that they believe I could get for it. So the number I currently have on it is right around what they said I could get.
They would have consigned it but the gentlemen I was speaking with says they only take pieces $1,000+
I will keep my eyes peeled for new finds ::)
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Excellent !! I am glad for you !! Not bad return for what you spent !!
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Thank you, Mart! Not bad at all!
The information that you gave really helped me out. I seriously appreciate it.
Now I just need to find a buyer ???
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You might check in your area and consign it to a gallery !! Do you have it listed on ebay ??
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I have an ebay account but I was not sure how to set up a pay pal account. I will need to figure that out first.
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Its just a registration,,basically the same as ebay but they require you to either put a credit card number or link to a bank account !! Do not put your credit card numbers in or link to your main bank account !! I just went and bought a pre paid MasterCard for $25. and used that !! Or you can set up a separate account at your bank for online sales !! That prevents any problems if a complaint is filed should that happen !! Keep everything you do online separate from your personal accounts !! If you set up a separate account for online sales,, you can go into paypal and simply transfer clear funds to your personal account !!
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Very good idea! I was concerned about having to link it to a bank account and I do not have any credit cards so I was not sure how to go about that. I guess I can start a separate account for online sales. That prepaid master card you bought, you can use that to buy online?? I never thought about that! That may be a good alternative for me. I guess you cannot sell with just that though? Idk how that would be possible lol.
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Sure you can,, I have been selling for years !! But with just a credit card there is no way for you to access your money in paypal !! If you do the separate bank account you do not need the credit card !! You would just draw from whats in paypal to make a purchase or transfer money to your household account for other things like paying bills ect !! I just use the credit card because all I use paypal funds for is to purchase something online !! I sell on ebay, let the money build up in paypal, and then if I see something I want I can buy it without using my personal money !!