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Title: trouble dating and identifying chinese or japanese saucer
Post by: benbenny on March 30, 2014, 02:11:01 pm

Hi is this Chinese or Japanese? Can somebody also read this and tell me more about it?
thank you

Title: Re: trouble dating and identifying chinese or japanese dish
Post by: benbenny on March 30, 2014, 02:12:01 pm

or is the text up side down?

Title: Re: trouble dating and identifying chinese or japanese saucer
Post by: Mat on March 30, 2014, 02:43:13 pm

This is Japanese Kutani-style porcelain, my guess is from the 1920s. I could not find the maker's mark immediately, but the picture of the first post has the right orientation.
Regards,
Mat

Title: Re: trouble dating and identifying chinese or japanese saucer
Post by: Ipcress on March 30, 2014, 04:03:30 pm

Benbenny, the first image of the mark is the correct way up. Similar to the Kutani Akiyama Zo, although the quality isn't there for that to be true, in my opinion. Probably just generic Kutani porcelain.
 Might be a touch later than the 20's in my opinion, though, Mat

Title: Re: trouble dating and identifying chinese or japanese saucer
Post by: KC on March 30, 2014, 06:06:35 pm

Ipcress and Mat, so nice to have you here on the forum!! :)

Title: Re: trouble dating and identifying chinese or japanese saucer
Post by: benbenny on March 31, 2014, 04:25:04 am

Cheers guys thank you for the info and quick to.
And you are right KC. A lot of my questions on this forum are always answered by Ipcress, KC, or Mat.
That's one of the reasons that I always come back to this websites with my questions.

Title: Re: trouble dating and identifying chinese or japanese saucer
Post by: Mat on March 31, 2014, 04:45:33 am

Always glad to help! :)    Ipcress, you are most likely right, this can be very well a bit later, but pre WWII for sure, I think. The mark has some resemblance to the Akiyama mark, but the sign for "Yama" is here the first, so the mark should be read "Yama-something Zo",  Zo meaning "made by". The second kanji seems to mean "forest" or "Hayashi" (林). There was a  Kutani producer called Hayashi in the 1930s - 1950s, so maybe thats a hint? I just do not know how that goes together with the "Yama" or "San"(山) ....

Title: Re: trouble dating and identifying chinese or japanese saucer
Post by: Ipcress on March 31, 2014, 06:26:05 am

Could be Hayasi, too, and i'm not sure that is a rubbed mark for Yama

Point being - the quality isn't great, the mark is uncertain and also not applied well.

Great if Benbenny likes it but there's not much value here otherwise, in my opinion. At least he has a point of origin though  ;D

Title: Re: trouble dating and identifying chinese or japanese saucer
Post by: Mat on March 31, 2014, 08:08:41 am

Nothing to add!  :)  Just for fun I add a picture of a Kutani tokkuri I found at a flea market. It was made in the 1920s by the potter Nakamura Shuto and is more in the Japanese taste. I think they made some quite nice pieces of porcelain there!