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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: sugarcube5419 on July 18, 2016, 11:30:56 am
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I don't understand why this post keeps saying it's posted but yet it hasn't shown up on the board so I will try once more.
two items-is the first a pie server> wm rogers SI
the second-is this a candle snuffer? anyone know the markings?
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second pic (hopefully)
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I found this info on a forum with google search
http://925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29855 . The search I used was
https://www.google.com/search?sclient=tablet-gws&site=&source=hp&q=Vintage+candle+snuffer+G+4+8&oq=Vintage+candle+snuffer+G+4+8&gs_l=tablet-gws.12...15181.40498.0.41922.29.27.0.2.2.0.522.5046.0j24j2j5-1.27.0....0...1c.1j4.64.tablet-gws..0.24.3893.0..0j35i39j0i67j0i20j0i10j0i22i30.6KioUcWi868. Hope this helps.
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Can you please post a picture of the serving piece right side up/top view?
The one item is a snuffer. I am betting the one is a pie/pastry server but just have to see the shape. If it was round it would be a tomato server!
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I found this info on a forum with google search
http://925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29855 . The search I used was
https://www.google.com/search?sclient=tablet-gws&site=&source=hp&q=Vintage+candle+snuffer+G+4+8&oq=Vintage+candle+snuffer+G+4+8&gs_l=tablet-gws.12...15181.40498.0.41922.29.27.0.2.2.0.522.5046.0j24j2j5-1.27.0....0...1c.1j4.64.tablet-gws..0.24.3893.0..0j35i39j0i67j0i20j0i10j0i22i30.6KioUcWi868. Hope this helps.
SO appreciated. yep that's it.
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I found this info on a forum with google search
http://925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29855 . The search I used was
https://www.google.com/search?sclient=tablet-gws&site=&source=hp&q=Vintage+candle+snuffer+G+4+8&oq=Vintage+candle+snuffer+G+4+8&gs_l=tablet-gws.12...15181.40498.0.41922.29.27.0.2.2.0.522.5046.0j24j2j5-1.27.0....0...1c.1j4.64.tablet-gws..0.24.3893.0..0j35i39j0i67j0i20j0i10j0i22i30.6KioUcWi868. Hope this helps.
SO appreciated. yep that's it.
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Your serving piece is a tomato server! Try taking a look at the pattern Mountain Rose - it sure looks like it from the picture that you posted!
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KC-I am in awe-may I ask you how one serves a tomato? Sliced ? Full? Is this done at all anymore? What kind of a party would have used it? THANKS
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I almost choked laughing sugarcube5419! You wouldn't believe all the serving and service pieces that the Victorians had. There was a singular serving piece for everything! YES, it is still popular believe it or not! In Victorian times it was used at every meal that served tomatoes. These days, personal preference and social standing determine the usage!
Red tomatoes were served sliced with a server that had holes so that the juice/seeds could drain through. (Thus you could pause and drain the slice instead of it going out the side and getting on the fine tablecloth!) Believe it or not they even had green tomato slice servers that had little to no holes because the green tomato slices weren't as juicy. (Which is not to be confused with the aspic/cranberry sauce/jelly server!)
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KC-all I can think is the amount of dishes these people must have washed/dried.
thank you for an informative answer
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LOL. They didn't wash dishes! The help washed the dishes.
PeLady
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Any family that owned and used all of those “serving” utensils …. usually always employed more “service/serving” personnel than there were family members to be “served”.
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thanks pelady and cougar-my mind just didn't go that way--
I thought it was a pie server-had it forever.
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sugarcube5419, unfortunately I got hooked on finding the rarer items that Victorians used and still enjoy the "hunt" for them. I blame it on my Mom that I got started. She has a beautiful set of pie forks (not the small dinky ones but the full size 7" ones that were made with the finer sets of silver in the late 1800's to very early 1900's.) Pie forks had a webbed tine so that 1) it made the fork sturdier to cut a bite off of your pie without bending the fork over time and 2) to help get the juice from those mouthwatering fruit pies!
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR3kyw1L_GRcXfp6l3LcqBwkObQzHALhwLZk7ilitMryEkGXAj6)
I have over 150 forks easy now (started collecting over 25 years ago.) They aren't as common and most people don't know what they are! I have only bought them in good to perfect condition and for little to nothing. They have since caught back on and the prices (depending on maker/pattern) have greatly increased!
It is different from a meat fork
(http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/m-TsjIJ9bDJjmyjr83mcBvg.jpg)
or a cake/pastry fork
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/ba/73/4c/ba734c3d6fd3913b1d1e389fae4edc48.jpg)
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KC,
You have over 150 pie forks ? Or 150 of all tpy s of forks?
Pelady
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KC-how weird is this-I picked up this "fork" at goodwill just this week. Is this a pie fork? When I tried to look it up on ebay I thought it was a "fish" fork?
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closer pic
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First of all....run, don't walk....before you get hooked on silverware! :)
Cute little piece!!!
First glance (without knowing size and maker) I would say that you have a dessert or pastry fork. This style is reminiscent of the 4" to 5" pastry forks that are common in English flatware.
Typically a formal fish fork is over 5 1/2" and up to 7 1/2" in length, has 4 tines and doesn't need a strengthened tine because you would have a fish knife! The fish forks that you do see with a widened tine have a notch/groove on the end so that you can hold on to the bones.
Pelady, silverplate pie forks only. Over the years I have picked up minimum of 4 matching to 12 matching pieces at a time - in order to try and make 6 piece or 12 piece place settings. I have a few 12 piece sets of sterling as well (Most purchased for asking prices that were a good investment such as $60 for 12 and could easily sell for the forks at $100+ EACH.)
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FYI, I like helping people out that have their items listed wrongly (especially when it will benefit them.)
Perfect example, when looking for pie forks I came across this odd looking fellow that someone had listed as a pie fork - but it isn't! It isn't very common at all and worth alot more than a pie fork! Anyone want to take a guess what it is?
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/2b/72/cb/2b72cb879776fd424c195808f6f46f39.jpg)
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A "butter" knife, ...... maybe? ::)
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Nope, but good try cogar! Anyone else?
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another dish to wash KC! Wild stab-mushroom utensil?
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Nope. When I originally saw one years ago I thought it was for cheese - but was wrong. Too bad I didn't buy the set of 6 for the price of $45.
It is a Melon Fork! (Those Victorians had a utensil for every food - for real!)
FYI for the prices these go for
https://www.antiquecupboard.com/PatternsByPiece.asp?piecename=Melon+Fork (https://www.antiquecupboard.com/PatternsByPiece.asp?piecename=Melon+Fork)
https://new.liveauctioneers.com/item/10261996_silver-melon-forks-touronbrevete (https://new.liveauctioneers.com/item/10261996_silver-melon-forks-touronbrevete)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Elegant-Antique-French-12pc-Cake-or-Melon-Fork-Set-Carved-Handles-Orig-Box-/301647496744 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Elegant-Antique-French-12pc-Cake-or-Melon-Fork-Set-Carved-Handles-Orig-Box-/301647496744)
Here's a modern day stainless steel version for a whole lot less!
https://www.amazon.com/Melon-Cutter-Fork-Multipurpose-iGenietti/dp/B00VXNUQ5M (https://www.amazon.com/Melon-Cutter-Fork-Multipurpose-iGenietti/dp/B00VXNUQ5M)
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just have to tease=would that be a watermelon, muskmelon or any melon in particular? God forbid on melon utensil touch another dish!
again=interesting kc
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LOL I know they sure helped people keep jobs back then making utensils for everything!
Any kind of melon as a matter of fact!
AND....if you ever come across one nab it if it is a good price. You will also need to distinguish if it is a melon fork or the RARER Corn Fork/Slitter which looks a bit different in the tine area. (Etiquipedia Photo) This is a great site by the way for a glimpse into etiquette!
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5xWrVKgfHPM/U7T-QgMAOdI/AAAAAAAADNU/KRxZtJGnOoQ/s1600/Victorian+corn+fork.JPG) "An 1899 corn slitter or scraper, a 1921 corn fork, designed with one slightly sharper edge and tines, to not only scrape the corn off of the fork, but to eat the corn as well, and a 1925 patented "Ear Corn Server."" etiquipedia.com
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very cool kc-
so corn holders had their own cases? is one piece to shuck the corn off while the other piece is holding the top of the corn?
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Yep, the corn ears even had their own cases/holders to keep them warm until eaten! However, just corn cob dishes have survived that period and are commonly seen in glass or porcelain.
The piece on the left was used to grip the corn while cutting the kernels off the cob.
This site is amazing for information about some of the older pieces and function in "proper" society. (However note that I have never seen a site that could handle the vast
http://etiquipedia.blogspot.com/2014/07/etiquette-for-eating-corn-on-cob.html (http://etiquipedia.blogspot.com/2014/07/etiquette-for-eating-corn-on-cob.html)
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No way could you eat corn with that fork !! The kernels would slide right off !! And using the tines would make a dinner last until the next day !! Did the Victorians know what those corn kernels do when you try to cut them off ?? They bounce in every direction except where you want them to go !!
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Mart, I knew that would get your attention!
I would be mighty skinny if I tried to eat with that fork...on second thought...maybe I should! Like eating soup with a work!