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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: debc on October 14, 2016, 10:39:40 am
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We have an old Pepsi bottle that was apparently filled by mistake in the 1990's. My husband purchased it at his shop, and upon seeing the age of the bottle didn't open it until the Pepsi rep came back at which point he was told it should never of been filled due to the age of the bottle. The cap on the bottle had a contest on it called the Play Music Poll Sweepstakes. Look under the cap to win.
It is a Pepsi Canada product, bottled in Montreal Canada from the barely legible writing on the back which has pretty much been worn off.
Any ideas on value? I have a local collector coming today to look at it and he said he is very excited about it. Contacted Pepsi but no response as of yet.
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Okay, last night a local collector of Pepsi and other bottles came to take a look at our bottle. He said he was so excited to see it and now I know why ! He estimates the value of this to be at least 1200 USD :o :o Says it is a one of a kind and he has no idea how high the price could go on ebay if a couple collectors want it. The bottle itself empty is about a 4 out of 10, he brought one the same that was mint and boy, what a difference. The filled bottle brings it up to a 7 out of 10, but with the cap on the bottle that never should of been capped he said that blew his mind. lol
We found out the cap on the bottle is from 1986 and the bottle from 1953. If anyone here knows anyone who collects Pepsi we are looking to sell this for sure. Imagine.
Still not my ship Mart, this bottle belongs to husband, he bought it in 86 and we got married in 2012 but still this is so exciting ;D ;D
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Be sure to let us know what the bottle finally brings. One a of kind, for sure!
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Yeah, I am goin with ghopper on this one. I am not a Coke or Pepsi guy but, i know that depending on the object there can be A LOT of interest among soda collectors which usually means money!
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I will keep you posted. Put it up on eBay today, going on auction for 10 days. Could be fun, whatever the outcome, he paid 50 cents or so for it so there has to be some money to be made. ;)
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Put it up on eBay today, going on auction for 10 days.
Did you put a reserve on it?
(minimum price you take)
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Put it up on eBay today, going on auction for 10 days.
Did you put a reserve on it?
(minimum price you take)
Not a bad idea.
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Did you put a reserve on it?
Yeah, auctions can be a crap shoot even at high end auction houses, a reserve protects the seller.
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I sure did. Starting price is 1500 Canadian ;D The more I think about it the more ridiculous I think I am for starting that high, but it's all in good fun, I don't actually think we will get any bidding on it. My first eBay auction, I get excited when I see that people are just watching. Going to be a long 10 days for my husband. ;D ;D
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Just not sure how that got filled. If you tilt the bottle to the side can you tell what is under the crown (metal cap)? Is it cork or is it plastic? Also, how many "teeth" are on the cap? (ridges on the bottle cap)
Grew up with relatives that managed and worked in bottling/can companies for soda/aerosol, etc... Someone had to have snuck that in at a bottling company. The machines are automated and done by pallets.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_cork (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_cork)
This was most likely done by an individual!
Pepsi history
http://foodravel.com/blog/2015/10/30/history-of-pepsi-packaging/ (http://foodravel.com/blog/2015/10/30/history-of-pepsi-packaging/)
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Post a link so we can follow !!
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I sure did. Starting price is 1500 Canadian ;D The more I think about it the more ridiculous I think I am for starting that high,...
You'd be surprised what die-hard collectors will pay for an item they need to complete their set.
If it's something they don't have, then the sky's the limit!!!!!!
and if you get TWO ppl bidding on it........
;D
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The inside of the cap appears to be plastic and there are 21 teeth on the cap. The first thing the collector did when looking at the bottle was to see if it was tampered with in anyway and determined it had not been and that it had to have come from the plant like that.
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/182316227756?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1586.l2649
It would be incredible if there were a couple buyers vying for our bottle but I am trying to keep any excitement in check. Meanwhile today I went through some of my own stuff and purchased a few new things to share :D
Looks like I started another thread, not sure how I did that. Can anyone move it to the Pepsi thread or delete it altogether and I will re-post where it belongs. Thanks
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You did it right !! Excellent listing !!
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Yes, very well done!
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Thanks, that is reassuring. Hmmm what else can I try to auction off ::)
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Hubby ?? ;D
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Mart you are funny! Hope this merged right. Let me know if it didn't.
Good luck on the bids!!!
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Just not sure how that got filled.
This was most likely done by an individual!
KC, if debc found out the cap on the bottle is from 1986 and the bottle from 1953 then I can agree 100% with you on the above.
Now I kinda sorta dislike popping anyone's "bubble" but it is really not a big deal for someone to remove a "crown n' cork" cap from a soda or beer bottle, take a couple gulps to quince their thirst, and then replace the cap to prevent their libation from going "flat" (all the CO2 escaping and causing scads of Anthropogenic Global Warming Climate Change). :'( :'( :'( :'(
A 1st cousin of mine, long gone now, worked at the Crown Cork & Seal plant in Baltimore, Maryland. http://www.crowncork.com/about-crown/history-and-timeline (http://www.crowncork.com/about-crown/history-and-timeline)
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Interesting timeline for Crown. I collected beer cans when I was a kid, and I remember having a number of "Crowntainer" cans from the 1940s. Cool stuff!
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It moved over, thanks so much.
Cogar, that would be anyone's first thought is that it was recapped, but that is not the case, at least according to the collector who came to see the bottle. That is the first thing he looked for. Also, this is a full bottle, purchased by my husband from a pop machine in 86.
Auction off the hubby and keep the proceeds of the bottle, is that your thought Mart ? Hmmm, I'd better keep him, he's the one who works around here. Retirement age soon, a couple more years, when that happens I may have to re-think it.
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Cogar, that would be anyone's first thought is that it was recapped, but that is not the case, at least according to the collector who came to see the bottle. That is the first thing he looked for. Also, this is a full bottle, purchased by my husband from a pop machine in 86.
Allrighty, .....debc, ..... I have found the most likely explanation for resolving the quandary of this discussion, ....... to wit:
The following was excerpted from:
Returnable Soda Bottles - Monday, 16 January 2006
@ http://mercurie.blogspot.com/2006/01/returnable-soda-bottles.html
(http://mercurie.blogspot.com/2006/01/returnable-soda-bottles.html)
It was in 1935 that Owens-Illnois introduced the non-returnable bottle. It was embraced immediately by beer manufacturers, although soda makers were a bit more hesitant. It was not until 1964 that Pepsi Cola announced it was developing a non-returnable bottle. Other soda makers would eventually follow suit. With environmental awareness growing in the Sixties, the nonreturnable bottles were not a hit with everyone. In 1970 protestors dumped a number of nonreturnable bottles in front of Coke's headquarters in Atlanta. The early Seventies would also see the first bottle deposit legislation introduced in many states.
Despite the advent of the nonreturnable bottle and canned soda, returnables did not disappear overnight. Instead, it seems to me that they gradually fell out of use. Gradually shoppers decided they preferred the convenience of nonreturnable bottles and cans to the returnable bottles which they would have had to pack back to the grocery store. Grocers also found that they preferred not having to deal with the returnable bottles. Without them there would be no need of large bins that took up space. As the Eighties progressed, the nonreturnable bottles gradually disappeared from store shelves until they simply were no more.
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Were they still filling 1953 bottles in 1986 ?
I remember going to my Grandmas in the early 60s. My uncles would give me a couple bottles and I would go to the corner store and turn them in for candy. I think I got 5 cents for them and that meant a lot of penny candy.
Just recently my Grandmas house was torn down for a large grocery store and that corner store has been gone forever. :-[
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Just had a good long soak in some bubbles. I do my best thinking there and I think you have the answer cogar. Thanks so much for the info, it clears up what I thought to be a big mystery.
Now I can just hope that not many were still around in '86, nobody else kept them unopened etc etc etc. I guess I will find out in 8 more days if it is valuable or not. I am glad I did not put one of a kind in the ad. We were told that, but who really knows for sure right, and you just proved that. Thanks again.
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My only concern is that you put in the ad that "due to the age of the item that it isn't guaranteed to be consumable but is being sold as a collectible item".
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debc, in actuality, it is the when n' where (place-date) that the "pop" bottle was made that determines it's "collectible value".
And your bottle was either made in Canada ...... or made in the USA for a Canadian Pepsi Cola bottler, in 1953 ...... and was re-filled and re-distributed for the last time ..... in 1986,
And ps: .... So, it's the "mark" on the bottom, ........ "Canada - 1953" ... that determines it's rarity. and thus it's value.
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Copied and pasted KC, never thought of that, but I guess one should not assume.
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Were they still filling 1953 bottles in 1986 ?
I remember going to my Grandmas in the early 60s. My uncles would give me a couple bottles and I would go to the corner store and turn them in for candy. I think I got 5 cents for them and that meant a lot of penny candy.
Just recently my Grandmas house was torn down for a large grocery store and that corner store has been gone forever. :-[
Not on purpose !! I think someone sneaked it into the line intending to retrieve and keep it !! Maybe the date was their birthday and since Pepsi was a favorite drink ect, ect !! But it was shipped out before they could get it !! A bottle that old would have long been disposed of by the company !!
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Well less than 21 hours to go on the auction. Not a single question from anyone, I'm thinking that is not a good sign. I wonder if we will get one bid, my gut says not :-\
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Yeah, the starting price is to high in my view. Generally speaking, say an item estimated worth is $500-1000, most auction houses will start the price at half the low estimate or $250 in this example. That way it creates interest and "gets them in the door" or eyes on the object online. You can always put a reserve on your object so there is no reason not to try a lower start price to create interest.
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Just as I thought, not a single bid. I can only surmise that the asking price was too high. I didn't post the ad with a reserved bid because ebay suggests not to, but rather to increase the asking price instead. So, other than the collector who came to see the bottle, we have no other opinions of value. I was really hoping to get some feedback on ebay. Even someone saying " are you crazy?" would be more helpful than nothing. Oh well.
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https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1SKPC_enUS366US455&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=vintage%20bottle%20forums
Why not ask some of the bottle collecting forums ?? Many of them have buy/sell classifieds !!
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Good idea Mart, I looked around at a few, time to take a closer look ;)
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So, other than the collector who came to see the bottle,
Did that "collector" buy ..... or try to buy ..... any other items that you had?
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He is a Pepsi collector, so no as this was the only Pepsi item we have and he said he didn't have the money to add something like this to his collection. I have no doubt he was convinced of the value.