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Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: Jamescrawford on March 11, 2017, 06:00:26 am
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Hi, I was wondering if anyone could tell me the age and value for this antique sleigh that we ran across in a storage building. Here are some pics. I think this is wood, metal and plaster. The pics are limited to 4mb.
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Could we get a bit more information about it ?? Size,,what is it made of,,any markings it may have or anything you find interesting about it !! This pic is not very sharp,, can you take one of the bottom as well ?? From this pic it looks to be good size !! Is it carved wood or plaster !! Looks to have a wood bottom with metal runners !! My guess would be a store display !!
Sorry,, I did not check the other post for pics !!
Maybe KC can combine the two posts !!
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What happened to the other post and pic ??
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Ditto what Mart said!
Mart, the floorboard is wood and the back of the seat appears to be wood. Hard to tell from the picture about the rest.
Beautiful piece! My first impression was that it was a store window display item. (If so, they are collectible.)
Also, being nosy, is that an iron daybed/campaign bed/fainting couch next to it?
Mart, the other post was a duplicate of this one (the crazy thing that happens so often on this site!) Deleted it after verified it was a duplicate.
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Sure looks like an early store display unit. (I looked at this earlier, and the post showed another photo with what appeared to be "painted" scenes on the side and rear.)
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Rauville, I checked the posting to make sure all photos are showing and this is the only one that I see.
Jamescrawford can you please post more pictures? Give more detail? Also, about the piece next to it? (The reason is I have been looking at antique cast iron daybeds/fainting couches and they can be worth some $$)
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The artwork on the sides is what I wanted to know about too Rauville !! Couldn`t see it well because of dust/dirt !!
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Thank you all for the responses. I will post more pics.
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More pics
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Looks different being dusted off. I would take the following dates offered with a grain of salt maybe.
http://www.sovereignandregents.com/child%27s_sleigh.htm (http://www.sovereignandregents.com/child%27s_sleigh.htm)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/322429342648?vectorid=229466&item=322429342648&rmvSB=true (http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/322429342648?vectorid=229466&item=322429342648&rmvSB=true)
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1890-1910 does not seem unrealistic. The painted artwork seems to fall in line with the "cottage" painting that was going on in furniture at the time.
You'd have to give it a good - and careful - cleaning, but I like that $1K asking price! Remarkable item!
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The second link that Rauville gave was from Germany and thats where I think these originated !! Not American or English and Italy would be a stretch of the imagination !! It is simply not in the style of those three !! Am wondering if the size is similar on all of them ??
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My humble opinion for what ever it might be worth is that these are Indonesian "Fantasy Creations", made for the Western market. The details are just too crude and too similar to each other to think that these are as old as they are listed as. Once again, that's just my opinion and mine alone probably.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/19th-Century-Antique-Wooden-Hand-Made-Bavarian-Childs-Sleigh-/182328934090?hash=item2a73a6beca:g:ICQAAOSw0fhXiCFf (http://www.ebay.com/itm/19th-Century-Antique-Wooden-Hand-Made-Bavarian-Childs-Sleigh-/182328934090?hash=item2a73a6beca:g:ICQAAOSw0fhXiCFf)
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My humble opinion for what ever it might be worth is that these are Indonesian "Fantasy Creations", made for the Western market. The details are just too crude and too similar to each other to think that these are as old as they are listed as. Once again, that's just my opinion and mine alone probably.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/19th-Century-Antique-Wooden-Hand-Made-Bavarian-Childs-Sleigh-/182328934090?hash=item2a73a6beca:g:ICQAAOSw0fhXiCFf (http://www.ebay.com/itm/19th-Century-Antique-Wooden-Hand-Made-Bavarian-Childs-Sleigh-/182328934090?hash=item2a73a6beca:g:ICQAAOSw0fhXiCFf)
Hey, if Rauville says it, I listen. Respect!
But it's a sad thing, if true. One thing that might help is to look at the screws/fasteners underneath. Are they phillips? If so, then they're fakes.
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May be right Rauville !! That last link you posted was roughly done !! But the one posted here did not show that from what I could see !! We really do need to see how its put together !!
Even if it vis as Rauville says,, it should still sell well as a decorators item !! This is the first time I have seen these !! Don`t use sleds much in Texas !! Just old cardboard boxes !!
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A friend of mine that deals in horse drawn sleighs and carriages say it is of European or Scandinavian design. Contact Martins Auction Company in New Holland Pennsylvania. They will give you the exact value and tell him that Phil Stanton suggested you contact him.
PeLady
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And please post the results!!
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I just so happened to have run across one of these recently on Craigslist. I checked and it is still listed: https://hickory.craigslist.org/atq/5991281117.html (https://hickory.craigslist.org/atq/5991281117.html)
They are asking $2600. Here is the text and a couple of photos:
I have seen a posting of the sleigh on Ebay for $6,000 but the horse was not with it, it is beautifully hand carved. The sleigh could have never been used as an actual sleigh for a child as this piece is extremely heavy, it was meant to be displayed as an exquisite piece of furniture, from my research it appears to be Bavarian, cash only, price is negotiable.
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I just Googled images for Bavarian child sled and a bunch of them came up. Take a look:
https://www.google.com/search?q=bavarian+child+sled&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj9tM6ijdfSAhXCPCYKHT9sDtAQ_AUIBygC&biw=1920&bih=947 (https://www.google.com/search?q=bavarian+child+sled&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj9tM6ijdfSAhXCPCYKHT9sDtAQ_AUIBygC&biw=1920&bih=947)
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And more examples on Pinterest:
https://www.pinterest.com/janevantine/sleds/ (https://www.pinterest.com/janevantine/sleds/)
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These are cool, but I keep thinking of Rauville's comment. With the prices they're asking, I can easily see these sleighs being manufactured in China, then "aged" by being dunked in a river for a week or two. That's why I wanted to know about the fasteners underneath....Phill ips head screws?
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Yes agree absolutely. Looking at the one on Pinterest that is very distressed, it looks wrong to me. There are no wear patterns in places where something would show wear. It's just random, all over the place. Something about the carving style on many of these also reminds me of the Indonesian or Mexican "carousel" horses that were never actually on carousels. This is really cool looking, but I kind of wonder if it is just a display piece that isn't very old, and is not something that Bavarian children ever really used?
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OK look at this one on eBay. Enlarge the pictures below. There is an underside view showing the fasteners on the sled rails. Sure 'nuf, Phillips head screws. You nailed it Ghopper! Also check out the interior paint, it appears air brushed around the edges:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-BOHEMIA-CARVED-WOOD-SLEIGH-SLED-BAVARIA-19th-CENTURY-POMP-SLED-CARVING-/322429342648?hash=item4b124953b8:g:dXoAAOSwEeFVE~V9 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-BOHEMIA-CARVED-WOOD-SLEIGH-SLED-BAVARIA-19th-CENTURY-POMP-SLED-CARVING-/322429342648?hash=item4b124953b8:g:dXoAAOSwEeFVE~V9)
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Darn,, everyone types faster than me !! Been trying to get this in for the last 5 posts,,!! Going to send it anyway !!
How nice of your friend to help PeLady !! Thank him/her for us !! I still vote German design !!
That one is very nice Tales !! I think that is a good price with the horse included !!
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OK look at this one on eBay. Enlarge the pictures below. There is an underside view showing the fasteners on the sled rails. Sure 'nuf, Phillips head screws. You nailed it Ghopper! Also check out the interior paint, it appears air brushed around the edges:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-BOHEMIA-CARVED-WOOD-SLEIGH-SLED-BAVARIA-19th-CENTURY-POMP-SLED-CARVING-/322429342648?hash=item4b124953b8:g:dXoAAOSwEeFVE~V9 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-BOHEMIA-CARVED-WOOD-SLEIGH-SLED-BAVARIA-19th-CENTURY-POMP-SLED-CARVING-/322429342648?hash=item4b124953b8:g:dXoAAOSwEeFVE~V9)
Hmmm, sounds like a karma point is in order.... ;)
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And another one !!
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OK, points all around to Mart, Tales, and........
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Hey James Crawford can you please give us an update on the sleigh? Is it all wood or does it have plaster work on it?
Dimensions?
I agree they so resemble each other. I know it is hard to determine "quality" by photos...and can't get an "in person" on either or actual side by side...so this will have to do:
JamesCrawford's sleigh has a larger standing area which is needed, appears to be a large workable sleigh and maybe it is just because the paint but the quality seems better than the one for sale that talesofthesevenseas posted.
All I know...is if it was near me (LOL in Texas LOL) and was a great price I would buy it! My Hubby would have a fit... I would put it under the patio next to the swimming pool! It would be a great conversation piece and could put galvanized buckets/tubs in/around it for buffets! Soooo much fun!
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All I know...is if it was near me (LOL in Texas LOL) and was a great price I would buy it! My Hubby would have a fit... I would put it under the patio next to the swimming pool!
You have a swimming pool ?? All I have is a catfish pool !! DARN !!
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Yep Mart. Got one and bet it is way more maintenance/work than a catfish pool! 😕 And don't get great food like catfish out of it!
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Good point !!