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Title: 1820s Historical Blue Teapot with Steamship
Post by: bta on October 30, 2017, 09:32:05 pm
Hi. I have an antique English transferware teapot. It dates to the 1820s to 1830s. The pattern has me stumped. It is unmarked. It features a Sidewheel Steamship with an American flag. It has an acorn and oak leaf border with vignettes that have a steamship in each. Does anyone know the view?I have seen plates with steamships like the Dam and Waterworks and Diorama series, but have never come across this one. Any info is appreciated. Thanks
Title: Re: 1820s Historical Blue Teapot with Steamship
Post by: ghopper1924 on October 31, 2017, 03:48:14 am
I don't recognize the view. I wonder if it's in England?
Title: Re: 1820s Historical Blue Teapot with Steamship
Post by: Ipcress on October 31, 2017, 04:36:12 am
Take a look at the flag on the ship...

As BTA says, it’s the American flag. Is it a view of Boston ?
Title: Re: 1820s Historical Blue Teapot with Steamship
Post by: Ipcress on October 31, 2017, 04:42:12 am
Need to see the base and inside the cover, please
Title: Re: 1820s Historical Blue Teapot with Steamship
Post by: cogar on October 31, 2017, 04:43:33 am
I guess it could be an “artistic” rendition of ….. the Palace of Westminster, …. or commonly known as the Houses of Parliament. And I have my doubts about that being an American flag, ….. especially iffen  it is English pottery.

(http://photos.dreamthisday.com/old-british-parliament.jpg)
Title: Re: 1820s Historical Blue Teapot with Steamship
Post by: Ipcress on October 31, 2017, 06:23:24 am
Staffordshire potters did plenty of American related themes. Oriental, Italian..anything which would sell.
Title: Re: 1820s Historical Blue Teapot with Steamship
Post by: ghopper1924 on October 31, 2017, 07:31:13 am
Staffordshire potters did plenty of American related themes. Oriental, Italian..anything which would sell.

Yes they did, and they could be "inventive" with the views they created. I've got a piece of transferware celebrating 50 years of American independence which has a view of the English countryside.

Thus my question: Although the ship is American, the view may not be. I don't recognize it as Boston or any other U.S. city of the time. Perhaps its an American ship with an English background, or perhaps the whole thing is made up. The building in the center does look like it references something specific, however.
Title: Re: 1820s Historical Blue Teapot with Steamship
Post by: Ipcress on October 31, 2017, 11:11:27 am
Could be, GHopper, but that wasn’t the point I was making.
1) it’s an American ensign
2) 19th century British pottery features scenes and landscapes from all over the world.

Nice piece, notthing spectacular and undoubtedly undervalued in today’s market.
Title: Re: 1820s Historical Blue Teapot with Steamship
Post by: ghopper1924 on October 31, 2017, 11:50:47 am
Could be, GHopper, but that wasn’t the point I was making.
1) it’s an American ensign
2) 19th century British pottery features scenes and landscapes from all over the world.

Nice piece, notthing spectacular and undoubtedly undervalued in today’s market.

1) Agree
2) Yep

I was thinking of the original question in the first post: What's the view?, while incorporating what you said about varying locales and what I know about Staffs potters taking liberties with locations. So with that said, I'm wondering.....Charl eston, South Carolina?
Title: Re: 1820s Historical Blue Teapot with Steamship
Post by: mart on October 31, 2017, 06:15:36 pm
If there is no mfrs mark,, how was the teapot dated !!  The ship in the foreground appears to be a barge of some sort with masts and something that looks like a steam chimney and wheel !!  hard to tell what it is supposed to be !!
Title: Re: 1820s Historical Blue Teapot with Steamship
Post by: Rauville on October 31, 2017, 06:58:07 pm
As far as ships go, I would guess that it is maybe meant to represent a packet boat that traveled the coastal waters. My "theory" would be that since those smaller ships normally didn't take on transoceanic voyages the background might indicate the country of registry.
(Question: Is it normal for the ships in the border to be shown upside down? ???)
Title: Re: 1820s Historical Blue Teapot with Steamship
Post by: mart on October 31, 2017, 07:53:27 pm
Well I`ll be darned !!  Didn`t notice that before !!
Title: Re: 1820s Historical Blue Teapot with Steamship
Post by: cogar on November 01, 2017, 04:26:07 am
Are the oak leaves and acorns on the lid a "clue" to its origin?
Title: Re: 1820s Historical Blue Teapot with Steamship
Post by: mart on November 01, 2017, 09:47:17 am
I don`t think the person who posted this is coming back !!
Title: Re: 1820s Historical Blue Teapot with Steamship
Post by: ghopper1924 on November 01, 2017, 10:02:56 am
Too bad! Nice piece of transferware!
Title: Re: 1820s Historical Blue Teapot with Steamship
Post by: KC on November 01, 2017, 07:48:54 pm
Please, I would like to see the bottom of the pot and inside of pot and lid!