Antique-shop.com
Antiques! => Antique Questions Forum => Topic started by: kdj on January 11, 2011, 09:34:14 pm
-
I thought this was a photo. Then I took it out of the original oak frame and now wonder if it's a print?
Does anyone recognize the signature? I can't read it.
Any ideas about the lady and her sheep, goat and dogs?
I wonder where this would be? How old is this and what is it's value?
Thank you for your help!
-
What a great picture, I love it. Are you able to take pictures of the back of the frame? May help with dating. I don't recognize the signature though...
-
A lovely image. Does it look as if it has been trimmed and so part of the signature has gone? I think the first name looks like George, but the rest...? Also odd that the signature has the same hues as the rest of the picture.
On second thoughts I don't think it is 'George' ...
-
Looks like a print and I think it has been trimmed to fit the frame. As to the artist,, check out George Turner. He was an English landscape artist. Not sure of the value if its a print and it had the border removed. He may have done some work in watercolors if its on paper. The paper he would have used for that feels rough to the touch and not smooth like print paper. If it was an oil it wouls have been on wood or canvas or something similar.
-
Forgot to say that he was a farmer so that would account for the subject matter.
-
Is it 'Georges' so possibly French?
If you have a loupe then that should give you a better idea as to what it is. What sort of paper is it on? Is there anything on the reverse of the paper?
-
Just checked on French artists and found nothing that looked remotely similar to that last name.. with the first name Georges. It looks similar to other English prints I have seen.
-
Thank you for everyone's comments!
The picture is on a very thin "board" ... I think. (picture)
The frame is oak. Nothing on the back of the print/photo. Colors or lack of reminds me of sepia.
Could be trimmed, or just came that way.
Maybe the trim on her dress or the wood umbrella handle are clues?
And look at her foot! I believe she has a hole in her stocking! And what kind of shoe is that?
I just got home from work so I will look up George Turner, and check back with you all. Thanks so much! This is fun!
-
From your edge shot it looks like it is attached to the board backing, not painted on. Could be a sepia print. It looks like it was reframed as the artist would have had his name completely within the picture and not on the border I think. I would see if you can lift a corner of it from the backing board. Of course we cannot see the picture like you can but you should be able to tell if its just a print that, over the years, has stuck to the board.
-
The paper is attached to the backing. The picture itself will not lift but on an edge I can see that where it shows some minor chipping it is thin. Parts of this picture look like originally it was a painting, then other features look so real as if a photo.
About the signature... 1st name Go.ges
Could that last name start with F...v or is it T...v
Good grief!
I also looked up G. Turner but did not see anything similar.
Thanks for helping!
-
To me it looks like a photograph, or a print taken from a photo (even so, an old one). Although the detail is quite poor (no offence) it still seems to have the quality of a photo rather than a painting, but a closer look would be needed (certainly for my tired eyes). This is where a good viewing with a loupe would be valuable. Could you take a close-up of the signature?
The close up of the shoe is very fuzzy (again to my eyes), but is that a clog? :-\
-
Here is a close up, as good as I can get it.
The print/photo signature is no better than you are seeing. I tried clarifying in photoshop but that didn't help much.
I'm pretty sure there is a v in the last name.
I think those shoes are clogs. The other foot under the goat, although hard to see, at least looks like a regular foot.
The other one is a funny angle.
You mention a loupe. Where would I get one and will it enable me to see the letters in the name even tho' they seem blurry?
I tried a magnifying glass but that didn't clear things up.
Thanks again for your time and suggestions!!!
-
There is a technique where they paint over a photo. I've had it done. I'll show you so you'll see what I mean. It wasn't a good job so you'll understand. So if you think it was a photo and painted it's possible.
-
Thanks! If I could find out whose signature it is, then it may be possible to research that artist and learn more about this picture.
-
You mention a loupe. Where would I get one and will it enable me to see the letters in the name even tho' they seem blurry?
You can buy these small magnifiers very inexpensively, and a must have if you ever wander around antique centres and so on. The loupe might not help with the signature ... some of the others may have an idea but I've exhausted all my ideas ... but with it you may be able to tell whether it was originally a painting or even a photo touched up with paint (really so hard to tell from those photos).
I was even considering that the last word might be Janvier, which could be a surname, or even standing for January ... but that's probably just a flight of fancy!!!
-
To me it looks like some of the name was cut off when applied to the board. I thought it was Fruire. There's a photogragrapher Freire, but he's to young.
-
If anyone is still with me (and believe me you are appreciated) I've been researching until I'm numb! But look what I found. Could this be it?
I looked up these two (below) and found a painting in oil in the sepia but nothing same as mine. Still looking for a lady under an umbrella ...
Georges Fauvel (1890 - ) France
Georges Henri Fauvelle ( - )
-
I think you may have it !!!
While not the same scene, here is one of his of a shepherdess and sheep.......
http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/lot_details.aspx?pos=4&intObjectID=3865057&sid=
Here's another of his works........check the signature ;)
-
I think so too! Now to find the title and some history of my picture.
-
Well found, and it is definitely him. If you examine the pic of the two cats you'll see his full signature, same as yours. He seems to have worked with il on canvass, so you should be able to tell with a good magnifier whether it is a photo/print of an oil. Happy hunting.
http://www.arcadja.com/auctions/en/fauvel_georges_henri/artist/9551/
-
Thank heavens, you found the artist ! It was driving me nuts !