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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Need help with a Hummel: Two different TMKs? (pics inside)

« on: August 17, 2011, 02:45:31 pm »

I am aware of this downward trend unfortunately! Thank you so much for all your assistance, this answered a lot of questions. There are still a lot questions outstanding but those will get taken care of i'm sure eventually! I will be frequenting here quite often!

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Need help with a Hummel: Two different TMKs? (pics inside)

« on: August 17, 2011, 11:20:05 am »

According to the site I read and double checked with others,, the double marks occured when the figurine was Made at the end of one period but not painted or fired till after the transition !!  It also said that when double marks occur they are appraised as the latter mark. So yours would be mark #2 for valuation. Found one like yours with both marks on figurinesonline for sale at $237.50 but that was in mint condition !! Yours has a few chips so you have to take that into consideration. Collectors want mint condition !! Only thing I really couldn`t find was why yours had only the word Germany when that wasn`t used till 91 except in conjunction with the Goebel mark !! Before that it was W. Germany !!  At least that is what I think it said,, I read so much I could be wrong on that !!

This is awesome information! This answers some questions, could you provide me with the link where you read this?

I just now need to track down and find out why it only says Germany as opposed to W. Germany!

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Need help with a Hummel: Two different TMKs? (pics inside)

« on: August 17, 2011, 11:03:22 am »

A genuine M.I. Hummel figurine must have a facsimile signature incised somwhere on the figure or edge of the base. Unless this incised facsimile signature is on the figurine, it is probably not a genuine M.I. Hummel Figurine. Although the W. Goebel Company did vary many of their other marks, collectors can be grateful that in the application of the facsimile signature they were both consistent and persistent. Some of the very small designs only two or three inches high are difficult to mark so that the resulting signature is indistinct on some. 

CORRECTION: I'm an idiot and I missed it. There is indeed an M.I. Hummel signature! Here is a picture of the signature.

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So I think that this puts us back to square one. I still don't know why I have two TMKs (1 + 2) from different years hah. But it is a genuine Hummel.

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Need help with a Hummel: Two different TMKs? (pics inside)

« on: August 17, 2011, 09:13:28 am »

A few questions first is your piece incised (pressed in) with  a facsimile  M.I. Hummel signature? and what is exact size of your figure this will also help in placing a value on your piece.  You are correct that the crow with the W over G was used 1935-1949 but the full bee mark was  used 1950-1959 so your piece if a M. I. Hummel was produced during 1950-1959 as the full bee was not used prior to that time frame. Many overlapping and combinations of marks coupled with conflicting copyright dates indicate the futility of reading to much meaning and accuracy into the shorthand history on the bottom of some figurines. all marks & size of your figurine will tell the complete story.

I am going to try to answer all these questions:

is your piece incised (pressed in) with  a facsimile  M.I. Hummel signature? No it is not.
what is exact size of your figure? It stands 6" tall

Also,, does your piece have only the word Germany rather than W. Germany ?? And does it have the Goebel name on it ?? Or how is it identified ??

It has only the word Germany. There is no Goebel name on it. I identified it by its trademarks and styles.

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Need help with a Hummel: Two different TMKs? (pics inside)

« on: August 16, 2011, 03:05:56 pm »

"From 1969 to 1972, some pieces were also stamped with the Crown mark (trademark #1), in addition to the more current trademark designs."

That seems pretty interesting but that would be during the time of trademark #3 - #4 which this piece does not show. The piece that is stamped with the blue ink is actually trademark #2 which is 1950 - 1959 which is ten years before they began stamping the crown mark in conjunction with the trademark 3 - 4.

My piece seems to date somewhere between the crown trademark #1 1935 - 1949 and the full bee trademark #2 1950 - 1959.

This just makes things even more confusing!

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Antique Questions Forum / Need help with a Hummel: Two different TMKs? (pics inside)

« on: August 16, 2011, 02:36:08 pm »

Hey all!

I just joined the forum here; it sure is nice around here from what i've looked at so far. This is exciting to have all new material to read!

Anyways down to the business. I recently acquired this Hummel here #89/1 Little Cellist. Seems pretty straight forward but there are two trademarks on the bottom of this figure. There is a TMK 1 (crown) embossed into the bottom of the base and then there is a TMK 2 (full bee) also stamped on the bottom. I have seen double crowns before, but never have I seen two different TMKs on the same item.


Could someone maybe help me with some information here? I can't find another one like it to even determine a value.