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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Armorial dishes unknown mark

« on: April 26, 2012, 12:59:51 pm »

Thats it alright. Well found Wendy and thank you for the links. I have been puzzling over these for the best part of 8 years now so it is very satisfying to now have the answer . Thanks

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Armorial dishes unknown mark

« on: April 25, 2012, 05:44:16 pm »

Thank you so much to everyone who has helped me with this mystery. That is intriquing Wendy I like to have fun thinking what the armorial crests might mean especially the bird and griffin one which has white rampat cats with bushy tails or ponies on the red shield, not the most fear inspiring of crests  . With that in mind it might make sense for it to be a later, knowing decorative piece rather than a oriental one which didnt really grasp the subject matter or for them to be replacements for earlier actual heraldic pieces. I'm guessing the more recent Samson pieces like these are less valuable than the 19thc ones?
Also if anyone knows where I can see an example of the Samson mark from that time I would love to took a look.
 Thank you again you've all been wonderfully helpful  

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Armorial dishes unknown mark

« on: April 22, 2012, 08:58:30 pm »

In terms of whether the marks might be Oriental its strange I dont know how well it comes across in the photos but the crest and animals are hand painted in a naive way which makes me think of faience and therefore France but the colours seem all wrong to me.
The creature I have been describing as a griffin has dragon like wings and a triangular pointed tail but it's head has a cockrel like cob.  Whatever material they are painted onto has some indentations like when you chip paste or a thick set icing. I cannot see any crazing to them. I dont know if this will help to identify the materials used and therefore what they are and who they are by or whether I have just confused matters  but thank you again for any thoughts or comments you might have.

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Armorial dishes unknown mark

« on: April 21, 2012, 08:53:10 pm »

Hello  
Thank you both for your responses. The items are quite small. The dove bowl or platter is  6 inches" across and a little less than this in length, it is only about a half inch in depth. The phoenix? / griffin dish is smaller than this approximately 4in" by 2.75in" and an inch" in depth. I hadn't thought of the possibility that it could be a master salt dish but yes it definately could be or for something like bon bons or sugar. I also hadn't thought of the mark as potentially being an S + a T, another good suggestion and yes now that it's mentioned that could definately be the case if the T was used as the top line of the S and then the rest of the S cut across it. Im intriqued by why you ask Sapphire? is this a known mark?

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Armorial dishes unknown mark

« on: April 20, 2012, 11:51:00 pm »

Thank you.
The mark is odd, my thoughts exactly  and even more so when you consider the nut dish is not very big in the first place so the mark itself looks like it has been hand painted with a very slim brush head or almost a fine-liner pen. The mark is like 2 conjoined boxey S's or a 9 and 6 back to back. I think you have correctly summized the material they are made from ie probably some stone or earthen wear rather than porcelain. The seller I purchased them from described them as antique and suggested they might be samson, although I took this with a large pinch of salt as I am a notorious junk magnet when I go online or to estate sales so if I was in the possession of an item made by a name recognized in the world of antiques no-one would be more suprised than me lol  .
Thank you again for your help with this mystery.

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Armorial dishes unknown mark

« on: April 20, 2012, 03:43:59 pm »

Hi mart, thankyou for your reply and for the welcome. Sorry for the thumbnail pictures. Hopefully these will display them at a reasonable size.
Dove dish


And Phoenix? / Griffin nut bowl


Any ideas anyone??

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Antique Questions Forum / Armorial dishes unknown mark

« on: April 18, 2012, 09:38:58 pm »

Hello fellow antique lovers,
I purchased a couple of small armorial nut dishes from an estate sale a while ago. Does anyone have any thoughts on who they were made by or what the meaning of the armorial crests are. I would be fascinated to find out who made them as I have had no luck tracking down the makers mark and it has been puzzling me for some time
Dove dish.

Smaller Phoenix? and griffin dish

Thank you if you can help