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Antique Questions Forum / Re: NEED HELP: Dresden Germany Porcelain Piece

« on: May 26, 2013, 09:12:37 am »

I'd be cautious with that date and origin. Looks very similar to this later one but without the extra mark. Also, no one would put another mark over the factory mark.

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/9270669


How did you acquire it ?

This was a flea-market find in Central Florida. I paid a modest $3.00 for the item from an old man. He had tons of porcelain and ceramic pieces. The hand coloring and craftsmanship caught my eye. The gold gilding was flawless. For $3.00 it was worth the gamble. In regards to your link, it appears as if, and im only guessing, that the piece in that auction was from a later date. I think it a more modern piece.

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: NEED HELP: Dresden Germany Porcelain Piece

« on: May 26, 2013, 09:06:56 am »

Dresden as town was the location of multiple decoration studios; no porcelain or such was actually manufactured there. Only exceptions were located OUTSIDE Dresden, like the former Villeroy & Boch factory or that one mentioned below. When seeing "Dresden" in general, always hold in mind that it was used as location of origin -or- decoration style name. Hence it can also be found used by the Dresden Pottery Co. (East Liverpool, Ohio) or the former Mueller company from Dromcollogher, Ireland. Never jump to conclusions when you see "Dresden", always verify the background. Even decorators in Dresden did not always decorate "Dresden style", many are known to have decorated items with Meissen florals (both Dresden and Meissen main decorations are florals, the school of decorating however was completely different).
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Shown mark consists of the intertwining letters 'SP', standing for Saechsische Porzellanfabrik ("saxonian porcelain factory"); the full manufacturer name was Saechsische Porzellanfabrik zu Potschappel von Carl Thieme. It was located in the small town of Potschappel near Dresden which was later later merged with two other suburbs, resulting in the newly-formed district of Freital (today Dresden-Freital).

Shown mark was introduced 1901 and used in that form until 1918 before it was replaced by three different successor marks. The numbers are the item number (A5497L) and various quality control numbers ("12" was the ID for the person that decorated the item in color, "50" was the ID of the person responsible for gilding).
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Note that I never comment on value, as is explained here http://www.porcelainmarksandmore.com/resources/essay_value.php

Thank you for your insightful answer, I never knew any of that. Now I know what I have and when it dates to. I will take a look at the link you provided as well. Thanks again!

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Antique Questions Forum / NEED HELP: Dresden Germany Porcelain Piece

« on: May 25, 2013, 08:17:22 pm »

First, I would like to thank you all in advance for your opinions and help with identifying this piece. My background is in jewelry and militarily items. I have searched all over the internet and by researching know that Dresden is a city in Germany and is world-known for making quality fine porcelain pieces. I found that there are many "makers/artist" that produce Dresden pieces and have been for over a hundred years. I am not even sure what this piece is(dish, pill-box, fragrance holder, or ??). On the bottom it is stamped "Dresden", with a makers mark stamped above? They are blue in color. Below the word Dresden are two numbers(gold colored), a small "12" and larger "50", I assume this is the pattern number? Also, engraved(indented) into the piece on the bottom is the following letter/numbers "A5497L", and I have no idea what this may represent. I do not see any fading, chips, cracks or repairs. It is a lattice & floral design. Please see the detailed high-def photos below. Any and all help would be appreciated, thanks again for your time & help. I am stumped  

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: NEED HELP: Identifying Very Old Clay Bottle (Partial Makers Mark)

« on: May 20, 2013, 04:53:35 pm »

Thank You!! Ipcress -- I searched all over, so I was on the right track, German! Which from looking at the website, appears mine is from the 1880s give or take a few years. Thank you again for your knowledge and assistance. 

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: NEED HELP: Is This Old Native American Pottery ?? *HAS ME STUMPED*

« on: May 20, 2013, 04:13:28 pm »

Thanks Mart! I sent them an email, now I am playing the waiting game 

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Antique Questions Forum / NEED HELP: Identifying Very Old Clay Bottle (Partial Makers Mark)

« on: May 19, 2013, 09:14:51 pm »

First I would like to thank you all in advance for any opinions or information you may provide. I have done my own research and from what I have found this appears to be a early to mid 1800's mineral water bottle. Possibly German in origin? I took several photos of the piece and several shots of the makers mark/stamp. There is some condition issues with the most glaring being at the bottom with a portion that has cracked and fell off. Overall, given its age, feel is in good condition. The only word I can see clearly in the makers mark is the word "Mineral". Also, near the small looped handle is the word "No" engraved. I am not sure what this means? What country of origin is this piece? What period is this piece from? Finally, is this a more rare piece(valuable?) or is it rather common in its current condition? Again, thank you for any help!  

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: NEED HELP: Is This Old Native American Pottery ?? *HAS ME STUMPED*

« on: May 17, 2013, 07:34:52 pm »

Thanks MART... I didn't know they would do something like that for free. I will check it out and hopefully they are able to help. Much appreciated! Also, for anyone who is curious to know, I will update this thread once I get a definitive answer. 

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: NEED HELP: Is This Old Native American Pottery ?? *HAS ME STUMPED*

« on: May 17, 2013, 05:44:21 pm »

Thank you all for your opinions and input. I am still researching, have not been able to find anything with the same symbols and figures that appear on the piece. Are there any other sites or forums that specialize in pottery? Any other resources that I could use? Thanks again for all your help, though still stumped 

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: NEED HELP: Is This Old Native American Pottery ?? *HAS ME STUMPED*

« on: May 15, 2013, 07:52:00 pm »

Thank you Mart... So you are thinking this is a South American Shamanism piece? Do you think it is old, valuable? Thanks again!

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: NEED HELP: Is This Old Native American Pottery ?? *HAS ME STUMPED*

« on: May 14, 2013, 09:49:06 pm »

I agree its a studio piece,, independent potter,, not Native American !!  Could be something South American,, or just someones art piece with meaning known only to the potter !!  Odd little thing !!  I think its just a vase !!  I see no other purpose for it !!  Not clean enough inside for drinking ect !!   They usually take more care if food or drink is involved !!  Does the mark look like a stylized A ??

Thank you for all of your information and help. I will do more research on "Studio Pieces" as I am not familiar with this era and or style. To answer your question, yes it does appear to be a stylized "A", either engraved or stamped, cause to the right of it is a line impression. What would you value a piece like this at, for insurance purposes, if even valuable enough to be warranted? Any further information is welcomed. Thanks again to all for your help. 

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: NEED HELP: Is This Old Native American Pottery ?? *HAS ME STUMPED*

« on: May 14, 2013, 06:22:23 pm »

It does look like a nice piece of pottery. I really don't know what it is but I am sure it is not Native American. Shape, color, glaze and motif are all wrong for that. Hopefully someone here can tell more about it.

Thank you IlliniGuy -- Your response has at least got me pointed in a new direction. So, not Native American....hmmm. I have my fingers crossed that someone has seen a similar piece or knows the cultural background of the piece. Thanks again for your reply friend 

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Antique Questions Forum / NEED HELP: Is This Old Native American Pottery ?? *HAS ME STUMPED*

« on: May 14, 2013, 05:44:32 pm »

I want to thank anyone & everyone that responds in advance. I have spent several months searching the internet(eBay, Pottery Forums, Google Image Searches, visited numerous Native American pottery websites, searched Maker's stamps & More). To date I have not found anything out about my piece. I normally do not collect pottery, though for some reason I found this piece intriguing. I will let the photos speak for themselves. I have a vague understanding of pottery jargon. I am a newbie to collecting pottery. Any information, tips or comments are appreciated. I am not even sure what this is, a vase? What the figures on the side are and or their meaning? Is this old? Is this rare? Can anyone attribute this to any Native American culture/group/tribe? Perhaps this is not Native American at all, and another culture? Can anyone identify the symbols? Is this an amateur piece made in someones basement?


HERE ARE THE DETAILS: The pottery piece is approximately 6 inches from top to bottom. Approximately 5-6 inches at its widest point. The piece is glazed(think that is the term?). It is light to medium green in color with light blue accents around the figures. The designs/symbols/figures appear not to have any color on them & are rough in texture(possibly just plain color of clay used?) There are human-like figures that appear to be crawling up the piece of pottery. The figures appear to have bones or something protruding from their sides. There are several symbols. One of them being a triangle inside of a triangle, one that appears to be a half moon, and another that is oval-shaped with lines/designs within.  It most definitely appears to be handmade, not a mass-produced piece of pottery. The piece has some weight, it is not hollow, it is very solid. Lastly, there appears to be a stamped or imprinted symbol/letter on the bottom of the piece. The bottom of the piece is not glazed/colored and appears to be the original color of the clay used making the piece. Please look at my detailed photos(photography is not my forte), and let me know what you think. Again, any and all help is appreciated.



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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Old Photo & Folk Art Horse -- Please Help! Civil War? Rare?

« on: September 29, 2012, 08:27:11 pm »

Thanks you all for your replies. Also, thanks for the link to that article on this style of photos. Creepy to say the least. Again, this was acquired from New York.

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Old Photo & Folk Art Horse -- Please Help! Civil War? Rare?

« on: September 29, 2012, 04:03:52 pm »

Sapphire: Yes there is a split in the horses belly and I do believe that is there for the addition of the photo. Upon closer examination of the photo it does appear the wooden platform is there.

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Old Photo & Folk Art Horse -- Please Help! Civil War? Rare?

« on: September 29, 2012, 03:54:26 pm »

Frogpatch: Thanks, that looks similar to the horse that I have. Do you think the value of mine is more than the $125-$150 they will likely get since it has the hair and photo accompanying it? I will list another photo. Thanks