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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Please help - Henry VII Dagger

« on: November 05, 2013, 03:24:47 pm »

Bristol

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Please help - Henry VII Dagger

« on: November 05, 2013, 02:25:59 pm »

I'll do that. Thanks a million!

Sorry to be a pain but I'm a total newbie - can you reccomend where to sell it in the UK?

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Please help - Henry VII Dagger

« on: November 05, 2013, 02:08:28 pm »

Do you think the valuation is accurate?

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Please help - Henry VII Dagger

« on: November 05, 2013, 01:44:26 pm »

Thank you so much!! For sure I'll contact them.

I've just received valuation from Value My Stuff - seems so incompetent when compared with your findings, or maybe they think their target customers are not so curious:

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Date: 1840-1870s.

This is an "antique" replica most likely sold on a "grand tour. This so called "fantasy piece" was extremely expensive when sold as original in 1860s. The Grand Tour was the traditional trip in Europe undertaken by mainly upper-class European young men of means. Though primarily associated with the British nobility and wealthy landed gentry, similar trips were made by wealthy young men of other countries including the U.S. The tradition was extended to include more of the middle class after rail and steamship travel made the journey less of a burden, and the tour was considered a "right of passage" for young men.

Value:
£1,500 - £2,000

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Please help - Henry VII Dagger

« on: November 04, 2013, 07:35:14 am »

Yes, sorry about that, a typo but it turns out to be funny a bit

I'll correct this.

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Please help - Henry VII Dagger

« on: November 04, 2013, 05:28:53 am »

Thank you very much!

I wrote "presentation" in the meaning "put this on top of your fireplace" - of course I agree that it's ceremonial item - rather than a battle weapon.

If you'll find anything - please share. I should receive opinion from "Value My Stuff" tomorrow so we'll be able to check, if our investigation went the proper track

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Please help - Henry VII Dagger

« on: November 03, 2013, 11:14:53 am »

Quote from: Ipcress on November 02, 2013, 05:09:10 am

I like the sound of that actually. Any chance of a couple of clearer images, especially the hilt and the blade ?

Looks like a presentation piece, just trying to ascertain age.

I know of something similar but need more evidence

Could you please share your opinion and this similar piece you know of?

I'm completely layman in antique weapons so my observations could be totally wrong, but here they are:

1. Hilt - seems to be highly practical - cloth and pieces of leather (anti-slip I guess). It does not match the rich carvings, if that is the presentation item. Also, it seems that texture of the fabric is threadbare, like it have been used, not only presented.

2. Back side of sheath - also highly practical, as any carvings on that side could damage the clothes (especially delicate fabric worn by noble ones - like velvet used for ceremonial robes/mantles of Order of the Garter members) and also seems to be worn and torn.

3. Front side of sheath - these carvings are so rich and done with such precision, that comparing with presentation item like http://www.eliteauction.com/catalogues/011412/view.php?id=9 for sure they were made by better skilled (or better paid) artist.

4. Originally in the collar of the Order, each garter is surrounded by 2 roses but Henry VII changed the design for one rose only - there are 2 roses under Henry VII bust on the sheath.

5. As symbolism of the carvings isn't coincidental, I assume that those bottom carvings also mean something: halberds, swords, spears, shield and armor may point that the original owner was somehow connected with weapons. The face at the bottom may be the portrait of the original owner, for which the dagger was crafted.

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