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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Signed 18th - 19th century oil painting? Project!

« on: March 12, 2017, 04:31:21 pm »

Really?
After all the evidence provided?

Done arguing! Dodgy website. I will unsubscribe

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Signed 18th - 19th century oil painting? Project!

« on: March 12, 2017, 10:39:42 am »

Thank you BenBenny007 for your trust but always be open for a second opinion! Don't get carried away by the comments from others. These are all the main forum-buddys that want to buildup this website and don't want to admit their mistakes. Imagine what would happen if they had it wrong!, nobody would take them seriously anymore. Believe me, Ive seen them make so many mistakes that I decided to signup and do something about it. 

You’ve just told me exactly what I needed to know and I will proof it with facts and not guesses. Your comment about a other portrait painting of a nobel man from the same artist which sold to someone else was the breakthrough. 

Ipcress-Amateur! Its not Frank Dean but Frank Daniell.


Frank Daniell 1866-1932 Suffolk, Colchester,  UK.
Same style, same period and known for his portraits of nobility! 
Daniell is best known as a portrait painter whose subjects were the celebrities of the day such as Mayors and many prominent people in the life of the town of Colchester. In addition to painting portraits he also completed some noteworthy still life works and travelled in Europe

BenBenny007, you suspected it to be a Dutch artist or scene, I said it was a French artist or painted in France because of the clothing and background.  There is a small chance that it is painted in The Netherlands because the painting below was also painted in The Netherlands. Its hard to tell because its impressionist in style same like the painting shown in the link below so details don't show.

I quote Ipcress: There are full stops and slashes immediately ''AFTER HIS NAME'' in the links provided.
My scans show the last name as Daniell with a full stop ''AFTER'' the letters LL!  Not before them! It also shows the last inscriptions being numbers 02 which appear to relate to the date 1902. If you do your research about where the artist was in the year 1902 than you can also probably give the painting a title and a place.  Maybe he toured trough other country's and France was maybe one of them.

https://artuk.org/discover/artworks/entrance-at-middleburg-holland-2367/search/actor:daniell-frank-18661932/page/1/view_as/grid

https://artuk.org/discover/artworks/search/actor:daniell-frank-18661932/page/2




And to finish it off

The so called experts here also overlooked the back of the painting!! There are plenty of inscriptions on the stretcher with clues. BenBenny007 You can clearly see in the pictures you've uploaded that there is writing on the back of the stretchers. You can still clearly see writing in white chalk the letters  D A N and vaguely the letter at the end LL












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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Signed 18th - 19th century oil painting? Project!

« on: March 12, 2017, 07:45:35 am »

I'm done arguing with a troll.

What a language! I hope you teach your kids better. Seems like I hurt your feelings. Keep in mind that internet is only virtual! I proofed you were/are wrong. You will be not the first or last wannebe valuation expert that will not admit his/her mistakes.

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Signed 18th - 19th century oil painting? Project!

« on: March 12, 2017, 03:01:16 am »

I'm not convinced it's a loop in the K. If we were to consider every black line as part of the signature, i can see umlauts and a line which connects the N and K.

It's a faded signature with a photo take at an angle and some of those dark horizontals are just the canvas stitches.

Dean put hyphens after his name, sometimes wrote the location or date and that's why it appears longer.

Still not convinced. It clearly shows a loop in the letter K which Frank Dean never did.
Also the letters A and N in the last name of Dean (if it is Dean) should be the same style as in the First name Frank, doesn't look like its a match. My guess is that it's a lastnames with double LL OR TT.  Otherwise their should be a space the last name and the following work like in every other works signed by Frank Dean.
 
Facts show else and you cant deny facts.
I don't come here to argue, tmnothing wrong with critics,  just want to help.

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Signed 18th - 19th century oil painting? Project!

« on: March 10, 2017, 11:56:47 am »

Did i hit a sensitive spot?  Still not convinced.

I learned not to trust auctioneers. They make every day big mistakes and never admit they are/were wrong!  Must be a reputation thing. 
 

Ghopher1924. That signature doesnt come close. Show me a signature of Frank Dean with a loop in the K.    The last name is to long to be Dean.  Fact!

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Signed 18th - 19th century oil painting? Project!

« on: March 10, 2017, 06:21:40 am »

" best way to identify a signature "

when you can't see that signature clearly ?

Yes! Especially when it's unreadable! All the best auction houses and expert use this simple method. You can mimick the handwriting and find clues.


It did help!  It proofed your were wrong along with you forum buddy's who thought you were correct.. Swallow the facts mate, we all make mistakes.

Two so far agree with you on Frank Dean. I say its not! Proof me I'm wrong.

Yes, I know!! I don't care!
Try it! It's liberating!

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Signed 18th - 19th century oil painting? Project!

« on: March 10, 2017, 12:58:51 am »

The signature is Frank Dean
It is similar to a few of his paintings
If you read my post, i said it might not have been  painted by Frank Dean

Example

https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/keys-aylsham-salerooms/catalogue-id-srkey10056/lot-38eecd7b-3556-4e5b-b7a1-a4440046dbea

Signature

http://www.tate.org.uk/art/images/research/831_10.jpg

To say that signature doesn't even come close is incorrect. The same " font ", the same drop on the K.
He painted some very grand, expansive paintings but i've appraised and valued enough in my time to know that saying this isn't him could be a mistake similar to which you warned Mat about in another thread.

Still not convinced.

A signature is like a fingerprint and gives away clues, Ive copied the picture and draw over it and was not a match. Best way to identify a signature.

BenBenny, you need to look for a artist that signs his first name with a loop in the letter K,   Frank Dean never used a loop in the K, not in a early period and also not in a later period. Think the last name should end with double LL or TT, could also be a H.  Also not sure his last name starts with the letter D, it looks more like a P or a R, difficult to tell.   

Think your right about the date after a signature, can see something what looks like the number 02 to me but not sure. 

Use the same method shown below and I'm sure you will find out who the artist is.   Take a sheet of paper and write down the possibilities and go trough them one by one. There are plenty website artist databases like FINDARTINFO, ARTNET, ARTPRICE which you can use, you can't use all the tools on thsee websites if your not subscribed but you can do general artist searches. It would be ideal if you know somebody who is native French. They have more experience with French lastnames and can help you on the right way




 

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Signed 18th - 19th century oil painting? Project!

« on: March 08, 2017, 11:57:36 am »

It's English, he's called Frank Dean ( 1865-1946 ) but might be from a follower / school of the artist where someone has " borrowed " his signature.

Looking at the subject matter, style and technique, i'd say it's possibly the latter, although i have seen differences in an artists's work during their career ( particularly going from early to peak or from peak to later years )

Frank Dean was 81 when he passed away and this might have been one of his later works.

No its not Frank Dean!
Its not even close to his works, style and signatures. I have subscriptions to all mayor art databases and no work, style or signature comes close to this one. 

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Signed 18th - 19th century oil painting? Project!

« on: March 06, 2017, 01:56:31 pm »

You are searching wrong. Always look for the details!

First all its not early 19th century and certainly not 18th century! Its also not Dutch.
The canvas is not that old! It is made from sack cloth. Artists re-use old canvas because it can be available without paying any cash, something artists are usually very short of. Recycling is nothing new, neither is chucking out stuff that others can use. The name Frank is used in different countries. Other fact is that's impressionist in style, so Id say more early 20th century. This particular combination of landscape, architecture, and clothing, indicates it is not Dutch. The costume of the lady in the back looks like a generic French peasant costume, with a white 'fichu' or kerchief and a white cap with flaps hanging down the sides. This style of dress was still worn in the first half of the twentieth century. That model white cap was also worn in parts of Belgium. But in Belgium white-washed villages are seen in the flat lowlands, not the hills.

My conclusion, it is French, or at least painted in France, in an early twentieth century style, in the early twentieth century. I have a large collection of regional costumes from different countries. I have most publications on Dutch regional dress from Bing & Braet onwards, including some Bing & Braet/Frans Buffa publication original lithographs. I can assure you that from the 19th century till now there are no Dutch caps that look like that. Most white caps were worn over precious metal frames (oorijzers) anyway, you would at least see some gold glistening through the white.
The north of the country, Friesland, Groningen, Drenthe, West Friesland, did have white kerchiefs for sunday dress, often over silk tops, but different caps, and this is nowhere near the flat, green north of The Netherlands.
It is also hard to find yellow stone and white-washed villages with red roofs and pale blue shutters in the few 'hilly' areas. And look at the way the roof of the first house on the left looks. A Dutchman would have repaired that straight away, after all, what would the neighbours think;)!

The combination of the yellow and white houses with pale blue shutters and lovely sloping roofs, the villagers and the landscape, reminds me very much of rural parts of Burgundy. Including the picturesque state of disrepair.
But I can't be 100% certain.

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Chinese painting. Can somebody read Chinese or is it japanese?

« on: February 25, 2017, 03:03:34 pm »

It is certainly a print, a Japanese woodblock print. The style of the figures and the clothes are Japanese. I could not find the seal, but it seems that it is at least partly written in Hiragana, with the first two characters being likely "ri" and "se". The last character looks like Kanji to me, but I cannot read it.

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/japanese_hiragana.htm

You should be careful with what you say and the words you use Mat. 
People come her for advice. If this person did not know what to look for than he would have thought that this piece is a print.
You got some knowledge in certain subjects but choose your words carefully.

BenBenny007
I like this painting. To me it looks 20th century done in old style (my opinion). I would check it out more further to make sure.
It seems like not all figurines are shown and some are covered. If its easy to remove it from the frame than i would suggest to do that. Have a look at the paper to date it and the covered figurines (take some pictures of this and post them here.

If you are doing research than you always need it hands on. I personally love opening up sealed paintings, found many time pleasant surprises like old money or other paintings or works

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: YOUR most recent acquisition!

« on: February 21, 2017, 01:06:27 pm »

I have something similar

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: YOUR most recent acquisition!

« on: February 21, 2017, 01:05:37 pm »

Nice find

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: Graphite drawings. Does somebody knows this artist? East Europa?

« on: February 21, 2017, 01:03:45 pm »

Its all about the details. Thx Mat I'm very happen with this outcome.
I do prefer to keep investment paintings and drawings. Would these be consider investment type?
Don't even know what they are worth because I have no auction results or others to base a value on.

How where the other ones discovered? And to who are they the most valuable?
A collector, museum or other? If the artist is not listed than its more decorative value, or not.

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: My Most Recent Acquisition

« on: February 21, 2017, 12:46:28 pm »

any other finds?

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: My Most Recent Acquisition

« on: February 21, 2017, 12:39:51 pm »

nice