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Antique Questions Forum / Re: I did my searches and came up with nothing. Any ideas? "General Washington"

« on: September 06, 2018, 11:06:34 am »

No.

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: I did my searches and came up with nothing. Any ideas? "General Washington"

« on: September 06, 2018, 08:53:37 am »

Here is Mount Vernon's reply:

Thank you for contacting us regarding the “Warranted General Washington Handmade” banner or wrapper.  This is the first time we have seen anything quite like this, and we do not have anything similar in our collection. As others noted, the terminology used, “Warranted” and “Handmade” is typical of that found on cigar boxes, labels, wrappers, and signs.  Based on the style of the design, it likely dates to c. 1860-1900. In terms of the material, as you noted, it is woven, but it is possible it was woven from a thin metal thread rather than a natural fiber.    I would recommend that you take it to a local museum, auction house, or appraiser for their opinion.

So, the search continues...

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: I did my searches and came up with nothing. Any ideas? "General Washington"

« on: September 05, 2018, 11:22:31 am »

Mount Vernon has agreed to take a look at it.

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: I did my searches and came up with nothing. Any ideas? "General Washington"

« on: September 05, 2018, 09:47:18 am »

I'll try to make contact.

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: I did my searches and came up with nothing. Any ideas? "General Washington"

« on: September 04, 2018, 07:55:02 am »

I thank all of you for your research!  I find it amazing that of the billions of web pages on the internet, so far nothing shows up for this product or it's history!

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: I did my searches and came up with nothing. Any ideas? "General Washington"

« on: August 31, 2018, 10:08:44 am »

Permalink Reply by tomsantiquesetceter a on Tuesday

General Washington doesn't necessarily mean George Washington. In the 1800s there was a tobacco by that name, plugs and pipe types. Maybe your item was a tag on a case or bag of tobacco. You say it's paper, but could it be linen?

Where did you get it? What's its history? Did prior owner know anything?

http://iantiqueonline.ning.com/group/whadjafind/forum/topics/warranted-general-washington-handmade-any-ideas-what-and-why?commentId=1813674%3AComment%3A1436792&xg_source=activity&groupId=1813674%3AGroup%3A1072787

That's me in another forum trying to find out what this is.

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: I did my searches and came up with nothing. Any ideas? "General Washington"

« on: August 31, 2018, 06:54:57 am »

It is a woven metal.  Sort of like a window screen, but a very tight weave.  Light barely goes through it except for some pin holes here and there.

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: I did my searches and came up with nothing. Any ideas? "General Washington"

« on: August 30, 2018, 06:10:52 pm »

Another thought comes to mind since you said it was very soft !!  A machine embroidery patten !!  It would literally be embroidered over the pattern then the background material is removed !!  These can be done as a single or as many as you want !!  This is an old method where the machine embroiders over the pattern and is usually done by a person !!  Now days it is all done with computers !!

Thanks for the thought.

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: I did my searches and came up with nothing. Any ideas? "General Washington"

« on: August 30, 2018, 06:08:21 pm »

Can you please post a picture of the back side?

Here you go, the back side.  The lighting was a little different than the first picture.  The logo shows up a little better on this one, besides it being in reverse.

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: I did my searches and came up with nothing. Any ideas? "General Washington"

« on: August 29, 2018, 06:17:45 pm »

This is one of those items that a hands-on inspection is needed. 

I do have a few more questions if you please.  1)  is that a "ring" on the right side of the logo?  2) What are the items in the logo that you see if you can please describe them.  3)  Does the logo have the "appearance" of a stitched item?  (Reason I ask is it somehow reminds me of the popular Martha Washington and George Washington old logos I saw years ago for chenille bedspreads.)

I see that you have posted this item on some other sites (as they have also noted) and think that you have had several wonderful suggestions/recommendations.

Please let us know what you find out after you get a hands-on inspection.  We would like to know as well.

1)  No (see #2)

2) There are non-distinct leaves and branches (or vines) and a ribbon on each side (the "ring" is part of the ribbon).

3)  No

Thank you everyone for your suggestions.

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: I did my searches and came up with nothing. Any ideas? "General Washington"

« on: August 29, 2018, 07:56:59 am »

I give up.  I have seen and handled printing plates.  This is not a printing plate.

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: I did my searches and came up with nothing. Any ideas? "General Washington"

« on: August 28, 2018, 03:53:26 pm »

"The "sheet" is way to soft to be a printing plate.  I'm sure that if I applied enough pressure to the "logo" you would smooth it right out so as to be non-existent.  Sort of like taking a blunt object and writing on a piece of foil, then taking a round cylinder type object and rolling over the foil, the impression you just made would disappear.  (I am not saying it is made of foil, it is to heavy for that.)"

It wouldn't survive 10 prints let alone 1000s.

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: I did my searches and came up with nothing. Any ideas? "General Washington"

« on: August 28, 2018, 08:35:42 am »

Craigconewbie, this is how you describe your “mystery” object, to wit:
 

It is 4.5" high and 8" long
It seems to be woven and embossed.
Maybe the thickness of one sheet of printer paper.
And it has some weight to it, I'm thinking maybe silver?
The back looks identical except the words are in reverse. 
It is definitely metal (rings up on my metal detector

Now, Craigconewbie, ….. I just hafta ask you, ……. just how many “work hours” ….. and just how much “would it cost” (materials and labor) for a person or company to produce just one (1) of said items?

And given your estimated “cost” for producing said “item”, would it be prudent to produce THOUSANDS of said “items” to be used as “logos” or “brand insignias” to be placed/affixed to manufactured products?

A curious mind would like to know.

I understand your question.  But what if the said item was attached, mounted or in some way part of a display to sell something.  You wouldn't need thousands (one attached to each product), just one for each display case.

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: I did my searches and came up with nothing. Any ideas? "General Washington"

« on: August 27, 2018, 12:08:27 pm »

Light doesn't go through this.

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: I did my searches and came up with nothing. Any ideas? "General Washington"

« on: August 27, 2018, 06:59:04 am »

The "sheet" is way to soft to be a printing plate.  I'm sure that if I applied enough pressure to the "logo" you would smooth it right out so as to be non-existent.  Sort of like taking a blunt object and writing on a piece of foil, then taking a round cylinder type object and rolling over the foil, the impression you just made would disappear.  (I am not saying it is made of foil, it is to heavy for that.)

And for being a printing screen, the "weave" is way to tight.  When you hold it up to the light, you can't see through it.

Tonight after work, I will try to weigh it and compare it to equal sizes of paper, foil and whatever else I can find.  Maybe that will give a clue, maybe it will be a waste of time.

I really appreciated everyone's thoughts and guesses.  Someone will eventually recognize it as something they have seen or heard about in the past.