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Antique Questions Forum / Re: German Desk Set
« on: August 14, 2009, 12:42:40 pm »
Here goes,

 A bit of history on these peices and a bit of a long story and I hope you all don't mind reading it. I spoke with my ex mother-in-law. When she came over from Switzerland, with an army man she met in France and soon married, during the war, she got a job here in Kansas City as the housekeeper for a family named Rosenberg (sp). The Rosenbergs's went on to be quite a wealthy Jewish family here in town and eventually owning the Kansas City Kings, an NBA team. Mr. Rosenberg's Grandmother, who, from what I can gather, came here in the late 1800's was married to a man of modest means. She wanted more and alledgely had an affair with a wealthy man here in Kansas City. Name not known. (Perhaps Bernstein?) When she died, most of her estate, since Mr. Rosenberg had passed on, went to the wife of Mr. Rosenberg , who my ex mother-in-law worked for. After years of the bulk of the estate setting in the basement, my ex mother-in-law was instructed to bag it up and take it all to the thrift store. But not before being told she could have what she wanted of it. She happened to grab this set,  because HER Grandmother had a similar set, minus the candlesticks. To her it was sentimental. She also got several other peices that I am trying to get more info on. I will post about some of thee other items as they come available.

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: German Desk Set
« on: August 14, 2009, 08:16:17 am »
As near as I can tell, the thread size and pitch is very close to an M4-0.7..... doesn't seem to be exact though.

It is definatly not an american standard thread. #8-32 is to small and #10-24 is to large. I have thread gauges which I have included pictures of.





Yes the blotter paper seems to be an old business card of sorts, advertising the "Max Bernstein" company.




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Antique Questions Forum / Re: German Desk Set
« on: August 14, 2009, 06:59:57 am »
Hmm,

 I found this link after researching the "Max Bernstein" (publisher) that is on the paper that has been replaced on the blotter. He shows up about half way down the page. Interesting that they were in business in the early 1900's. 1916 to 1932. Located right here in Kansas City, which is where I live. This info then would lead me to believe that possibly my ex-mother-in-law aquired this set 'after' she came to the states and did not bring it with her from Switzerland. don't know for sure. Any thoughts? I am going to try to contact her for more info.


http://www.metropostcard.com/publishersb1.html


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Antique Questions Forum / Re: German Desk Set
« on: August 13, 2009, 12:01:48 pm »





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Antique Questions Forum / Re: German Desk Set
« on: August 13, 2009, 11:57:24 am »
So , kehbe , am I correct in assuming that you've not removed the paper & tape tag to check for makers marks ? ... also , does the blotter have a slider or similar 'locking/release' device (for replacing blotter material - one more covert place to check for marks ) ?

I'm also curious to know if your set is solid-cast through & through , or if elements have been soldered/braised/welded onto each other .
I can't tell for sure from the posted images , but it sorta looks like non-solid ( one piece) cast to this old mans' semi-blind eyes .

Thanks for all your feedback & on-going input about your desk set .


RJ2 and KC,

 I have not removed the paper tag. I wasn't sure if I should or not. Also, there are various parts that are screwed on and I am attaching some pics to this email showing these areas. In short, it is NOT one solid cast piece.
The candlesticks come apart in 5 different pieces. The inkwell comes apart in 3 pieces, not counting the porcelain well itself.  The blotter comes apart by unscrewing the cherub from the top and the paper on the blotter was obviously replaced at a later date. I have included a photo of it as well.







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Antique Questions Forum / Re: About this ring with 18k n 925 on it?
« on: August 12, 2009, 01:29:23 pm »
The '925' is definatly a 'sterling' stamp indicating the measure/content of silver in the piece. There may well be some portion of the piece that was plated with the 18k gold, or as mentioned before, soldered onto the original. I would think if it is stamped with 18k, it would have been when the ring was originally made, not an afterthought. As for the stone, hard to tell from the pictures. Glass is a good bet but could be tourmaline, of which, green is a fair rarity. Very tranlucent and nowhere near as 'deep' as true emerald. Green tourmaline comes from Brazil, is called 'emerald tourmaline' and is considered 'semi-precious'. Nice ring!

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: German Desk Set
« on: August 12, 2009, 12:04:52 pm »
Very nice desk set , kehbe !

If I were in your sneakers , I'd take out my fine-toothed comb ( & magnifier ) and fully examine all pieces in the set , looking for signatures and any makers' marks/serial #'s etc .

Having knowledge of such marks will greatly aid in researching your items here & anywhere else , for that matter .

Thanks RG2, I have looked them over pretty good and spent two days searching the web for "desk sets", "German castings", inkwells and every other combination of words I could think of that might get me some results that were informative. I have found many other sets but none that look like this one or that would give me some 'clue'. Also, I would like to thank ALL who have responded with suggestions and advice. I'm new here but I am an avid collector of, well, everything to be quite honest. Antique or otherwise... just ask my wife! My garage and my attic are full of my "treasures"!

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: German Desk Set
« on: August 12, 2009, 11:53:41 am »
What is the inner lining of the inkwell made of?  Glass?  Porcelain?  Plastic?   Enameled metal?  That will help determine this as well.

The lining of the inkwell is porcelain and is removable. It sets inside the casting with a good fit. I have found no markings on the porcelain well itself. It looks as though there was "possibly" a marking on the bottom of it at one time but is not discernible now. I will post more close-ups if it would help to identify it.

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Antique Questions Forum / Re: German Desk Set
« on: August 12, 2009, 11:45:08 am »
Do you have any idea of the kind of metal?

As for material, I can only base my assumption on the paper tag that is 'taped' to the bottom of the paper weight (The tape is an indicator of when it was labeled eh?) and my jewelery making experience, I would say the metal is bronze. It seems VERY heavy for it's size.

 

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Antique Questions Forum / German Desk Set
« on: August 12, 2009, 09:26:37 am »
I was hoping someone would be able to tell me a bit more about this set I aquired recently. The only marking I can find on any of it is the German patent/protection mark "geschutzt". Also on the bottom of the paperweight is a paper tag stating "Old Bronze ____ Set, 1880, ink__l, opener, blot___, paperweight, pair candlesticks. I acquired it from my ex-mother-in-law. She came to U.S. during WWII from Switzerland. The peices are adorned with grapes and cherubs, or "putti". The blotter has what appears to be blue paper or felt on the bottom of it. I don't know if it is original or not. It seems to be. Thanks for taking a look at this and thanks in advance to anyone who may be able to shed any light on the origins or maker/history or value of these items!


Posted by Kyle B
Labels: candlestick, desk set, inkwell, letter opener, paperweight





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