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vitopetre

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Spitzweg fake?
« on: December 21, 2011, 07:02:28 am »
Another painting that my mother is sadly forced to sell is a small painting that is signed "Spitzweg", but several "specialist" told me, that it's only a copy or a painting in the style of Carl Spitzweg. Eventhough it seems to be old enough to be painted in the time that Spitzweg was still alive and none of the people asked were real specialists (one was an auctioneer, one was an art historian but neither of them were Spitzweg-experts...).

The size of the painting is 17cm x 25,5cm which is about 7'' x 10'' without frame. It comes with a massive golden frame, that I did not take a photo of yet. (But I hope to get some better photos of the painting in a few days including some with the frame...).

It shows an old postman delivering a letter to a young woman in a narrow street.

This painting is not necessarily in need of restauration although it has one area, where the paint is roughended up and greyish (about 3cm x 1cm or 1,5'' x 0,4'') as you should be able to see in my photo.

Also the paint in the face of the young woman receiving the letter doesn't look great, if you look at it really up close or with a magnifying glass it looks more like the face of the joker from batman, than the face of a young woman, but this "damage" could have been produced through different reasons (maybe the painter was really not good with small details, maybe the paint was damaged after the painting was finished by heat or something, maybe...) - but as long as you do not get really really close you won't be able to recognize her face anyway!

The signature "Spitzweg" is on the edge of the top stone of the left baluster (is that the right word?) but really hard to see on this photo (as mentioned above there are better pics, also of details, to come soon...).


My main concerne with this painting is to make sure, that it's really not a painting of Carl Spitzweg himself, before I look for the best place to sell it...

Thanks for any of your answers and god bless you!

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Re: Spitzweg fake?
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2011, 02:53:23 pm »
What country is this artist from ??

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Re: Spitzweg fake?
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2011, 03:50:26 pm »
What I think is amazing is the SIMILARITIES in a verified Carl Spietzweg....roadwa y, ladies, postman....But there is also alot different!  Older paintings will crack/craze over time...which is also a big indicator of age/authenticity.

For those that aren't familiar with the German artist and poet...here is a site of his paintings
http://www.museumsyndicate.com/artist.php?artist=283

The question is it Spietzweg? or his painting?  Could be....unknown works from artists show up all the time when least expected!  Are most people willing to believe that this is the great find?  Unfortunately, no....because majority of the time it isn't.  So many artist have "less than perfect" pieces that they painted that are floating around...and eventually surface.

AT THE SAME TIME...an artist held in such high regard is copied by artists the world over....striving to improve their skills and there of course are some that are striving to deceive and go for the almighty buck. 

The things that needs to help you through any of this at this time are:  The provenance of this piece:  the history of ownership/where it came from.  Time dating on the piece from an expert (does the material it is painted on go along with the late 1800's, does the actual paint used go along with this time in history AND does it go along with the paints that Spietzweg used? 

I know that is what you are asking us...but me personally am not qualified to authenticate such a piece.  However, I am MORE THAN HAPPY to join in the journey to help the others on this site to direct you to getting more information so that you can get closer to that answer you are striving for!  This site (although it is a company that specializes in authenticating...I personally am not endorsing it because I have never worked with it...but am referring you to look at the things they do to authenticat....and do those things that YOU can do...like research your mom's history with the piece, etc. http://www.artexpertswebsite.com/pages/authentications.php

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