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omniart

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need advice,which books should i buy.
« on: January 20, 2012, 08:19:21 am »
Hello everyone.

i looking for a good Price guide books.
i started to go to Auction House and of some things they have a big Price range,so i want to buy a good Price  guide book that will help me to know which price should i pay.

so if you can give me some names of a great  books  is can be really nice.

thanks.

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Re: need advice,which books should i buy.
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2012, 11:35:58 am »
Look for a magazine that keeps up with trends and is either a monthly or bi-monthly !! But much will depend on what your interest is !! No one book covers all !!  Reading the posts here will help you a lot !! We have some very knowledgable people !!

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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2012, 06:37:36 pm »
What follows now may be more or less adequate for use in all areas of interest. Hold in mind that some areas may be affected more than others:

Think about the following: ever since online platforms like eBay came up in 1995, the market has changed in a very drastical way and prices for items may change under 24 hours. Books require a certain updating before going through print processing and even with modern day digital prints, a book may need weeks before it is present in all stores. By then, prices will have changed more than once.

Magazines are a better media as they are printed in a higher frequency. Still that is not actually enough in some areas ... actually, even specialized sites nearly working in realtime are pretty often totally wrong, their 'specialist systems' being just as (un)reliable as the semi-intelligent software used for stock brokerage - they only play with numbers, after all. Hence they do not  recognize bidding wars, advertizement gimmicks or simple fake auctions.

That said, the only semi-reliable aid is a lot of experience in your specific area of interest and common sense. Becoming adept or even semi-pro is nothing achieved by just owning two books and having a subscription to National Geographic. Sounds rough, I know, and you probably think I am a real nutcase.

However I have seen a lot during the past eight years in this business, and I *only* deal with German porcelain. A few examples come to mind, like the perfect Meissen centerpiece (in box, with documents) with a book value and online appraisal of US$ 4,600. The seller was not able to sell it, letting the price slip as low as US$ 700 while relisting it for two months. It finally sold, a mere month later succeeded by the same item, in damaged state (!), which went away for US$ 1,840 ... impressive enough, but still *far* under 'book value'.

Or the insanely bloated prices for Hummel figures. Even today, many reference books use the same old prices valid in 2004 even though every everybody should have noticed by now that Hummel prices are far below room temperature ever since Goebel (the manufacturer) went turtle back in 2006. They had to sell the rights to save their butt, however the market simply died and even the new proprietor is close to closure. Hence relying on a book value in that sector would be economic suicide.

I could go on and on, but the conclusion is that *if* you really want to start off somewhere, concentrate on ONE area of interest. Read everything you can on manufacturer history and facts *before* even considering to buy your first item, even more so if big $$$ is involved. At the same time you will probably get a feeling for fakes and reproductions, something mostly *not* mentioned or explained in a price reference book. What use is a reference book (e.g. on Roseville pottery) if you, as user, can't see the difference between a true original and a recent Asian reproduction?

Anyway, a certain gut feeling for prices will be achieved over time and slowly become your best friend. Next to this forum, of course ;)


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Re: need advice,which books should i buy.
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2012, 10:23:45 pm »
I agree with Chris, follow your gut and become adept at using a search engine, and keep track of trends on the items you are interested in. Books are out of date before they hit the shelves. It's a digital world.
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Re: need advice,which books should i buy.
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2012, 03:27:07 am »
hi,
well first of all thanks for your great answers.
about magazines do you can give me some name of a good magazines (i prefer a online magazines ).

one more things:if i go to Auction House and buy somethings so how can i know what will be a good price to bid on it?
i can ask it in other way: when you gonna to bid on some art how you can know what is a good bid to give on it,
if you want to sell this art after you  buy it?

i hope you will not gonna be angry with me, i am wanna to be a art seller,(i love also to collect art, mostly old coins).
so what advice you can give for someone that want be a art seller ?
 i know we have here ppl with a great knowledge this why i asking in this forum.

again thanks for the answers.


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Re: need advice,which books should i buy.
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2012, 07:37:26 am »
   When at the auction house, watch the other carefully, after a few times of going, you will learn who the other dealers are.  Dealers that have been doing this for some time have knowledge of the values, and they know when to stop bidding.  Keep in mind the dealers will usually drop out at around 50% of what they feel is the value of the item.  The one to watch out for are the people buying for themselves, cause they are the ones that will take the price to the sky if they like the item.  Auctions are great for getting a basic ideal of value of your area, just by watching carefully.  This of course by no means mean you will not loss sometimes when you bid, but the trick is to win the value game more times then you loss.  However just like everything in life this will take time, you will develop this skill after going to the auction several times.  I guess in a nut shell you just have to jump in with both feet and enjoy the ride, Watch and learn, Read and Win.

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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2012, 08:21:40 am »
omniart, being a "beginner" or a "newbie", I think you need "a book".

Not for "current" prices of antiques and collectibles, ....... but for familarizing yourself with "what all are" ..... antiques and collectibles .... and what their potential value might be.

Thus, I recommend you purchase a copy of this, to wit

Schroeder's Antique Price Guide - 19th edition
http://www.amazon.com/Schroeders-Antiques-Price-Guide-19th/dp/1574322044

And start by just "leafing thru it" to educate yourself on anything that "turns your crank".

I still have probably a dozen old "editions" and they are still valuable as "reference books". And iffen I was to put them in an Auction they would "sale" lickety split.

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Re: need advice,which books should i buy.
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2012, 08:52:26 am »
In regard to magazines, my favorite for the past 30 years has been the Maine Antique Digest. It's a great mix of informational articles, show reviews, auction results, etc. You can get a honest feel for the market and trends by following MAD on a monthly basis. Good Luck!

http://www.maineantiquedigest.com/

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Re: need advice,which books should i buy.
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2012, 09:10:16 am »
ok thank you all for the great helpful answers.


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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2012, 10:25:08 am »
And if art (as in paintings ) or coins are what you like,,, just pick one style or era and put in in a search engine !!  Then read as much as possible on that subject !!  Like Chris said,, it is knowing as much what is fake as in knowing what is real !!   Just take it one thing at a time and gradually your knowledge base will expand !!