This was a gift from a very wealthy friend. It was tarnished so I cleaned it with a natural recipe of baking soda, boiling water and tin foil. It didn't work as as well as I thought. I guess you have to soak it better. She is quite usual to say the least. It was probably my birthday and she as redecorating with antiques, so I tend to think she took from her house instead of shopping. That would be something she would do. She had a famous decorater from New York who used to suck her dry. She didn't like shopping and this guy would bring everything with him. I'm not sure if this is one of those pieces. Do you even think it's old?