Author Topic: 7' tall 310 year old Antique Byzantine Bronze Candelabra by Claudion  (Read 5255 times)

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Re: 7' tall 310 year old Antique Byzantine Bronze Candelabra by Claudion
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2013, 01:02:42 pm »
That's exactly what seems to have happened.  You can also find a few small bronze productions made with the same name spelling but no such sculpture to attribute it to...except Clodion (Claude Michel).  If there is, I would like to know!
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Re: 7' tall 310 year old Antique Byzantine Bronze Candelabra by Claudion
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2013, 01:09:46 pm »
Even on the candelabra itself??

That's what's odd. It's as though someone wanted to invoke the name while protecting themselves from "plagiarism."






http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/11992988_after-claude-michel-claudion-bronze

Amazingly sold for $400 and yet is no way connected to Clodion in any way. Someone has done a fairly cheap casting, knocked off a certain number and sold them.

It's the same with Preiss. Model a figure of an art deco dancer similar to one of his then cast, copy, sell.

Some are by reputable companies or done with the artists permission. Many aren't.

It's partly why ' after ' or ' school of ' or ' follower ' is used in auction catalogues.

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Re: 7' tall 310 year old Antique Byzantine Bronze Candelabra by Claudion
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2013, 01:14:35 pm »
In other words, these are fakes. I feel sorry for the person that paid $400 for something by "Claudion."

I wonder where the initial poster went?
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Re: 7' tall 310 year old Antique Byzantine Bronze Candelabra by Claudion
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2013, 04:35:04 pm »
So thats why I found nothing by this sculptor !!  Haven`t looked further but was curious about that if the artist was "famous" !!

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Re: 7' tall 310 year old Antique Byzantine Bronze Candelabra by Claudion
« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2013, 05:39:13 pm »
In other words, these are fakes. I feel sorry for the person that paid $400 for something by "Claudion."

I wonder where the initial poster went?

Basically.

Artists did it more frequently. Couldn't sell their work so painted in the style of someone famous and signed it in their name. Hence " Follower of Thomas Gainsborough " and the like, as you probably know.

It's often why you will see big descrepancies in sale results. An auction house might have catalogued it as an original but the experts will have known better.

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Re: 7' tall 310 year old Antique Byzantine Bronze Candelabra by Claudion
« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2013, 07:14:01 pm »
Can you please give us some background on the items?  Where did they come from?  Where are you located?

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They came from a now defunct Orthodox Monastery. I am located near Wimberley, TX about 25 miles west of San Marcos, TX

I know nothing else about them.

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Re: 7' tall 310 year old Antique Byzantine Bronze Candelabra by Claudion
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2013, 07:17:29 pm »
Since when has MDCIIC been 1711 ? It's 1698 but this has been used on coins dated 1722. Maybe relates to something else, such as the date a monarch ascended to the throne ?ssssss

Claude Michel was born in 1738.

They belong in a church or catherdral

Thanks for the help on the dated. I just put the numbers in a program that gave me that date for those Roman numerals. Thanks for your help.

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Re: 7' tall 310 year old Antique Byzantine Bronze Candelabra by Claudion
« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2013, 07:20:09 pm »
He has them priced at $5 G !!

They didn't sell for $25,000 or 12,500 and they wouldn't sell.

I figure if I can't get $5,000 I take them to the scrap yard.

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Re: 7' tall 310 year old Antique Byzantine Bronze Candelabra by Claudion
« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2013, 07:22:31 pm »
Here's the ebay ended listing for them again.  They have been stored in a "now defunct" monestary?!  So are these legally acquired?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290847772734&item=290847772734&lgeo=1&vectorid=229466

AND the renowned sculptor that this is leaning towards is French Sculptor Claude Michel who is known as Clodion.  This name is similar...but not the same.


Do you any more about Claude Michel?

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Re: 7' tall 310 year old Antique Byzantine Bronze Candelabra by Claudion
« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2013, 07:23:23 pm »
They're not Ebay material though. Need to be in the right auction

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Re: 7' tall 310 year old Antique Byzantine Bronze Candelabra by Claudion
« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2013, 07:28:45 pm »
They're not Ebay material though. Need to be in the right auction

Any suggestions?

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Re: 7' tall 310 year old Antique Byzantine Bronze Candelabra by Claudion
« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2013, 08:47:02 pm »
If it were me,, and I wanted to sell them I think I would try Craigslist !! Its free and a lot of people watch the listings there !! Even though you are in Wimberley,, you could list them in any major city within driving distance !!  But your ad needs to appeal to a certain type buyer so explain well and tell what you know about them !! With spring almost here I could see these in a garden setting !! Give ideas how someone could use them and price them individually !!  You might have better luck selling that way. Many people might buy one but not a lot would buy two of them !!  You might say X amount for one or a little less for both !!  Makes people feel they get a good deal !! Just remember that they will try to get the price down so decide what your bottom dollar is and start above that !!