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icedgold10

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Can someone help me identify this pictorial on this panel?
« on: September 14, 2014, 07:29:39 pm »
It is a religious piece as you can tell.  It's a small fabric panel 9 1/2" x 6 1/2".  The back is plain.  Looking for country, meaning ect.  Thank you.

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Re: Can someone help me identify this pictorial on this panel?
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2014, 07:34:43 pm »
Absolutely no clue !!

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Re: Can someone help me identify this pictorial on this panel?
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2014, 07:39:37 pm »
Haha  makes 2 of us.

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Re: Can someone help me identify this pictorial on this panel?
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2014, 08:01:29 pm »
Whoever that is sitting there does not look happy !!

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Re: Can someone help me identify this pictorial on this panel?
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2014, 09:08:37 pm »
Just guessing, but to me looks like the King of Poland, Przemysl II about 1295 AD. ???

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Re: Can someone help me identify this pictorial on this panel?
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2014, 01:49:11 am »
WOW!!!!!  I think you have got it!   http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:POL_Przemys%C5%82_II_ca._1350_COA.svg  Excellent work!

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Re: Can someone help me identify this pictorial on this panel?
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2014, 03:06:20 am »
Hi, my guess is that it is emperor Heinrich VI, look here: http://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Kaiser_Friedrich_II._Der_Wegbereiter_der_Renaissance/I._Der_staufische_Reichsgedanke . Seems that someone was inspired by the famous Manesse codex. The "Reichsapfel", the globe with the cross on it, was also a symbol of power of the Holy Roman Emperors...
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« Last Edit: September 15, 2014, 03:16:41 am by Mat »

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Re: Can someone help me identify this pictorial on this panel?
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2014, 07:16:37 am »
Mat , that is identical to the pictorial on my fabric.  Do you know if these were used as decorations or on robes traditionally?  I haven't got a grip on the age of the fabric.  If you smell it close up it has a bit of a mineral type smell.  Not really sure how to describe it.  I'm thinking you hit the nail on the head though.  Thank you.

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« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2014, 08:19:57 am »
I understand your pictorial as a kind of "copy" of the depiction in the Codex Manesse. The codex itself (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Manesse) was not known to a broader public before C20, I think, and so it is unlikely that your fabric is older than that. I do not think it was used on a robe, but rather that it is some kind of souvenir, maybe from Heidelberg, where the codex is kept in the library.
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Re: Can someone help me identify this pictorial on this panel?
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2014, 08:28:08 am »
C20  = 20th century????

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Re: Can someone help me identify this pictorial on this panel?
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2014, 08:51:03 am »
Yes, that is what I tried to say!  :)

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Re: Can someone help me identify this pictorial on this panel?
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2014, 02:03:18 pm »
Unlike the other pictures....yours has him holding an orb.  Is it the Imperial Orb of the Roman Empire?

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Re: Can someone help me identify this pictorial on this panel?
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2014, 03:11:17 pm »
Mat

what is your IQ?   

unbelievable.

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Re: Can someone help me identify this pictorial on this panel?
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2014, 05:23:35 am »
Hi sugarcube5419, I do not think my IQ is so special (and I never dared to check it) , I just remember things I have seen once quite well, and it happend that I have a book with all the miniature paintings of the Codex Manesse!  ;) Mat