Good digging ipcress, i think I assumed that to be a pay site, i bumped up against it though. I'm going to work on another table today at the same place I'll get pics of did you say the backs of the hardware? There's a number on the back I remember. By the way the tables I'm considering refinishing are ships hatch cover tables, and I'd refinished quite a bit of furniture at a job but only for about 8 months. I'll ask Tammy to post for me, but i felt the job was within my abilities its all flat easy sanding stain n clear pretty basic I thought but will follow any advice from u guys