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Re: Civil War container !!
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2017, 12:14:07 pm »
Interesting item but why would you have a ration box / coffee canister with a top handle like that ?

Looks like someone converted this - possibly a soldier in the trenches
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« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2017, 12:50:17 pm »
Quote from: Ipcress on February 02, 2017, 12:14:07 pm
Interesting item but why would you have a ration box / coffee canister with a top handle like that ?

Looks like someone converted this - possibly a soldier in the trenches

Scroll down to page 32 for some history on this piece.
http://www.history.army.mil/html/museums/messkits/Field_Mess_Gear%28upd_Jul09%29.pdf
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« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2017, 06:56:08 pm »
I saw one just like it Icpress. The ration box was invented by name in 1872. They use this item prior, but were had made from cups. They were tin. They kept raw meat in it, so the fat of the meat would no get on everything. The army saw it as a necessity in 1872 and hence the ration box.
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« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2017, 07:48:35 pm »
Karma points to Rauville and tales7cs. Great research!
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Re: Civil War container !!
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2017, 07:50:28 pm »
Learn something new everyday!  Nice reference Rauville!

Interesting that the one in the reference - the bottom of the handle is free/unattached and the one from Kovel's the bottom of the handle is affixed/attached! 
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Re: Civil War container !!
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2017, 10:29:41 am »
Quote from: Rauville on February 02, 2017, 12:50:17 pm
Quote from: Ipcress on February 02, 2017, 12:14:07 pm
Interesting item but why would you have a ration box / coffee canister with a top handle like that ?

Looks like someone converted this - possibly a soldier in the trenches

Scroll down to page 32 for some history on this piece.
http://www.history.army.mil/html/museums/messkits/Field_Mess_Gear%28upd_Jul09%29.pdf

The link won't load but i searched Google for Field Mess Gear 1872 and found " The U.S. Army in the West, 1870-1880: Uniforms, Weapons, and Equipment " online and it's featured in that book, where they have an image of one in great condition...and it still looks like a bit of trench trickery ! Weird design.

This is the link for it on Google Books

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=n_MimfWYwtwC&pg=PA90&lpg=PA90&dq=us+army+haversack+brace+1872&source=bl&ots=Onit27StDY&sig=DlMSDFhuJyhnoMHgUnf6VIQ5pD8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwit4M-kpvTRAhUlK8AKHV-uDBMQ6AEIIjAB#v=snippet&q=%22%20meat%20can%20%22&f=false

Great book. I'm going to buy a copy !
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« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2017, 11:42:41 am »
I am sure the loose handle was earlier than the one attached !!  The loose handle would tend to get bent and generally be more trouble that it was worth not to mention getting hooked on stuff !!  Attaching the bottom at least made it usable !!
Anyone care to guess at a value for the one on kovels ??  I have no clue !!
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« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2017, 11:43:08 am »
See page 32 of this document, sent over by my Civil War reenactor friend. There it is!

http://www.history.army.mil/html/museums/messkits/Field_Mess_Gear(upd_Jul09).pdf
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Re: Civil War container !!
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2017, 01:09:13 pm »
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« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2017, 02:53:32 pm »
Thanks Rauville !!  The other one is not as good condition but it will give an idea of worth !!

Thanks everyone !!
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« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2017, 03:03:42 pm »
Awesome! :)
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Re: Civil War container !!
« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2017, 01:56:36 am »
Whoa!  Great price for a unique piece of history!
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