They both appear to be fakes to me. The quality of the glazes and the amount of blemishes look to be too poor for real Roseville. I think this forum went over fake Roseville quite some time ago. There is a lot of it out there. I personally am not an expert or buyer of Roseville but I am judging the two pieces on the pics and the number of flaws in the finishes. I think if these came from the factory, they never would have made it out the door except in 1000 pieces. JMO.