Thank you so much for the help. You and Sapphire are awesome. I talked to the person who gave me these today. Her parents passed away along time ago and she has kept these in storage. We are West Coast but her parents were avid antique collectors, getting pieces from East Coast and Europe. That's just what they did. I have other items I am going to post. She said all pieces are very very old, most 150 years and older. The baccarat candleholders are for sure baccarat, no question she said. Antique dealer told her they were but there are no markings. How do you determine?