Hey All ! help identify these two items for me :)

[Lord-Pein]

first things first hello as i am a new member to this site.. and also new to this hobby. I have a feeling i am going to be on here alot asking all sorts of questions.

anywayyyy ..i have two items which i would love some one to give me some insight on.

The first one is a "jolly nigger bank Pat.Nat, 1977" i've seen a few of these online..but mine looks a little different from the ones that i've seen so far here are some pics:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/833/dscn1681b.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/694/dscn1687s.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/21/dscn1686p.jpg/

i'm wondering if this one is unique as opposed to the more common ones , and of what its value might be.

The second item is Brass clock , it functions it ticks..its arrows move ... i'm assuming its french but i can be wrong of course.
Heres a pic :
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/35/dscn1689p.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/694/dscn1691oh.jpg/

there is a small inscription on the back i believe it was a gift to some one and the date was 3/5/32 ...so i'm guessing this is 19th century.

Would love somebody to give me some insight on these items, would be great. Thanks guys !!

[Lord-Pein]

not sure if anyone has read this but , i believe that the jolly might be produced by george pratas (greece). Anyone know the value of this guy
?

[flablitz]

I have searched on the bank and have seen several, but I cant find one with the base like you have shown. The pat number doesnt come up anywhere either. BTW, is that copper or cast iron? The ones I have see are late 1800s to early 1900s and I have seen various prices on them ranging from 50$ to 1000$, also Im wondering if yours is actually missing the paint. I found it easier to research it by the keywords of "jolly negro mechanical bank"  Is it possible to get a picture of the bottom of the bank please?

[flablitz]

I have noticed also that these are made by a variety of companys and Ive seen most of the makers on the bottoms.

[Lord-Pein]

well this is def not cast iron. it feels like copper , and the only paint that was anywhere was the white paint for the eyes and the red tongue .. aside from that there is nothing missing. i looked all over the place to see if i can find one but i could not , this might be a rare one .. all of the other ones i seen with a base ranged from 700 to 3000 usd. so i'm assuming this might be a good one.

more pics.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/842/dscn1692y.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/215/dscn1693g.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/831/dscn1695.jpg/

[wendy177]

The banks you mentioned ranging in price from 700 to 3000 usd are mostly Pre-1935, Many of These bring high dollar. Yours dates 1977 and the flat head screws are a  huge clue to a collector if a piece is not dated that it was made much later. Have you removed the coin box to see if the base of the torso is marked? Try contacting this site maybe they are familiar with your piece. http://www.torsomechanicalpennybanks.com/  Good luck let us know what you find 

[GreenhornGirl]

That was an excellent tip, Miss Wendy!