Thanks snow & greenacres. I don't know if it's a CJ, an 8, or none of the above. It is just so faint. I'm having trouble finding many ceramic epergnes at all. Although I'm not even sure if this is ceramic...if it is, it's super thick. You can see just how thick it is at the bottom where the glaze meets unglazed. Still haven't found anything like it yet except those Moore Bros. pieces.