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« on: November 22, 2013, 03:34:17 pm »
Asked around a Chinese forum and people there say it is made around 1900. Apparently you can somehow tell the age by looking at the small crack at the back of the plate.

Anyway, I am happy to keep this for another 50 years, so it guaranteed to be something even older.


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Re: guangcai plate
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2013, 03:37:37 pm »
Beautiful plate! Last pic carpet?
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2013, 03:39:53 pm »
I didn't buy the carpet, it comes with the house.

The last photo suppose to show the crack. As that is the main reason people say it is old

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Re: guangcai plate
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2013, 06:14:50 pm »
Nice plate !! Get Ipcress to look at it !!


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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2013, 06:43:39 pm »
I'd say later but the pics aren't the best - could you take one of each side in good light without a flash, at an angle.

The foot rim looks too fine and clean, glaze and shape more typical of later styles.

There's something very similar here

http://www.asianart.com/phpforum/subforum.php?method=detail&Id=41417&sfid=4

now compare that to the plate in this lot. Several close ups showing the amazing detail

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/17963219_3-pieces-medallion-rose-guang-cai

Colours are more complimentary, finer...just little things. Add that to the base and i think you're looking at a later " copy ".


If you look at a generic 20th century plate the lines are perfect, the footrim clean as a whistle and the glaze is thin and perfectly smooth. Hold a 19th century plate in the light and even the finest pieces there's a difference. Creamier, thicker glaze / paste that is easily discernible in good light . Difficult to replicate the paste and glazes used back then.
Also some colours just weren't available and the copies often have shades of purple on that you would not find on any genuine period piece. Figures were also painted differently.

The other pics would be great, though.


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Re: guangcai plate
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2013, 09:38:16 am »
took some new photos.

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« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2013, 11:13:40 am »
Thanks.

Very confident now this is a mid / late 20th century piece at best.

Definitely a keeper though !

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Re: guangcai plate
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2013, 01:21:07 pm »
Asked in a chinese antique forum as well.

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2722142710

People there at the moment definitely believe it is certainly around 1900-1949 (before communist regime)

Anyway, I paid only 8£ for this plate, so if it is old, I will keep it somewhere safe and I pass to my daughter when I retire.

If it is new, I will start to use it and pass to my daughter when I retire. :D

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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2013, 01:26:58 pm »
It might be 1949 !  :P

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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2013, 08:21:06 pm »
It might be 1949 !  :P

That was a very good year !! :D

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Re: guangcai plate
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2013, 11:08:01 pm »
Ipcress I agree about the time period and wasn't "made" as an export item to US.

Still a beautiful piece even tho it has a "maturity" chip on it.  (I like to call them that...because we all get chips and dings along the way as we "mature"!)  :)   
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