Cogar, that was an Interesting Wood Trivia Post

[Pelady]

I loved your quote and link!

"And a little historical trivia:
HA,  Grin Grin that's surely because they didn't have any "treehugging" environmentalists back in the early days when they were pretty much "clear-cutting" the oak for ship building, etc. 
        By the way, that is also what triggered ..... The Pine Tree Riot in New England.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Tree_Riot.  "

I am from the New England area and have taken many history course, but never heard of the Pine Tree Riot.

Where are you from?  History buff ?

PeLady

[mart]

That was very interesting !!  That bit of history must have been left out of the school books !! Or maybe I was absent that day !! History was one of my favorite subjects but its amazing how much you forget after 50 years !!

[cogar]

Thank you, PeLady, glad you enjoyed it.

And where am I from? HA, originally and presently, I’m just a dumb ole Hillbilly from West “By Gawd” Virginia. And my resume is far too long and varied which you would surely be highly skeptical of iffen I was to get too “mouthy” with my rhetoric.

Anyway, I am not so much of a per se “history buff” as I am a highly vocal advocate of actual, factual science and the teaching of said in the Public Schools ..... instead of the currently being taught Politically Correct “junk science”, propaganda and socialist liberal agitprop. Thus said, one has to have excellent “recall” of historical facts and/or events iffen they want to “win” an argument or debate. 

And PeLady, I know your feelings exactly, when you said ….. “have taken many (American) history courses, but never heard of the Pine Tree Riot”. That very same thing happened to me about two (2) years ago, which utterly amazed me that I had not heard or read about it during my previous 70+- years of being nurtured by my environment.   

PeLady, did you know that copper (Cu) mining and the making of copper tools and implements actually began in North America around 8,000+- years ago? It t'was right after all the glaciers melted that once covered most all of northern North America. Well I didn’t either until this historical evidence was “pointed” out to me, to wit:

North America's First Metal Miners & Metal Artisans
http://copperculture.homestead.com/

Be sure to look at all the pictures of the historical artifacts that have been discovered.

Fishhooks and harpoons! 

Now who would have thunk they were smart enough to invent such things long before Noah figgured out how to build a boat?

[mart]

Stone fish hooks are sometimes found in Native American dig sites and sometimes when surface hunting here !! 

[KC]

I really enjoyed reading that as well PeLady.  Never heard of it and could understand why people would have been upset that the King took all the good wood.

I love how there is always something "new" to learn, even if it is very "old"! 

[cogar]

I would have supported this insurrection also.

Me thinks it had a much better flavor to it and much more palatable, to wit:

The Whiskey Rebellion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion

 

[IlliniGuy]

Cogar, that is a very good link to copper use. Most attribute the early use of it to the "Old Copper Culture or Complex" at 6000 years ago or in the 4000 B.C. range in Michigan and close proximity. However in other later cultures such as the Hopewell (500 B.C. to 500 A.D.) copper spread by trade through much of the central US. We have found artifacts here in Central Illinois on those type sites.

Mart, interesting that you brought up "flint or stone fish hooks". Among artifact collectors that is a can of worms so to speak. This has been debated heavily (and frequently!) on artifact forums and general consensus is that they are modern creations that found there way into older collections. These things were big in the 30's and 40's. Stone hooks  have also never been documented as found in a controlled archaeological dig. Prehistoric Fish hooks do exist with the preferred materials being copper and bone. I am including links to a couple discussions from the past. By the way. I am rmartin  on these forums.
http://www.arrowheads.com/index.php/forum/indian-artifacts-and-arrowheads/69985-you-will-love-this-eagle-effigy-and-a-fish-hook
http://www.arrowheadology.com/forums/arrowheads-indian-artifacts/42966-non-believers-flint-fish-hook.html

[mart]

That's true Ray,, and I am aware of the debate !! But its entirely possible that even though they look like fish hooks,, they may have had an entirely different use !!  I have only seen a couple personally and I though that the hook was too wide to ever catch a fish unless the fish swallowed it !!  The ones I saw had no barb or if it had ever had one it must have broken off !!  They were behind glass so couldn`t examine them !! They were pretty sharp on the inside curve and relatively dull outside with not as much of a point as expected !!  And no hole in the shank as our modern hooks have so must have been fixed to a pole of some type !!  My opinion is that if that's what it is,,it was used as a snagging instrument and not for anything similar to our modern day fish hooks !!  My second theory is that it was used as a small knife to split reeds, cane ect for baskets ect !!

[KC]

Mart, I was thinking somewhere in the past I have seen the "hook" piece used to strip/split reeds and limbs.

[cogar]

They were pretty sharp on the inside curve and relatively dull outside with not as much of a point as expected !! 

Mart, ......... HA,  .... they didn't want to filet it before they landed it ... did they?

I concur with KC.

It surely has to be a paleo version of a .... "hawkbill" utility knife