LOL !! Rub it in Jacon4 !! I do not remember saying much about them !! I did ask for closer pics !! And was skeptical about the "ivory" !! But that was the person that seemed pleased when Ipcress ID`d them and said he did not give the smites !! Ipcress got one too and he was the hero on that one !! Ivory ain`t my area ~~!!