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Another Small Step in the Front Door/Walkway Project
« on: September 22, 2010, 04:25:39 pm »
I just made another small step forward in our front door and walkway project. (See my earlier posts on the Victorian doorknocker and walkway made of San Francisco cobblestone) I found the perfect old doorknob on craigslist for $35 and will be driving out to pick it up tomorrow evening. The seller found this in an old barn on their property and the lock is stamped Sargent & Co Patented 1881 - 1886. I'm thinking I may leave the old paint on this, depending on how it looks when I get it in hand. Totally love how it looks in the photo.

It's fully functional, but missing the skeleton key. The seller says she has a bunch and will try to find one that works. Locksmiths carry them also. Additionally, I will have to add a deadbolt to the front door for security and we'll have to hollow out a space to accomodate the inset locking mechanism.
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Re: Another Small Step in the Front Door/Walkway Project
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2010, 05:29:14 pm »
...and if it turns out to be inappropriate for the front door, it will be perfect in the bathroom, which we remodeled Victorian a couple of years ago.
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Re: Another Small Step in the Front Door/Walkway Project
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2010, 11:59:52 pm »
VERY NICE!!!!!  (That isn't yelling....it is saying it excitedly!)  LOL
I'm from the South - but please don't mistake my Southern Manners/Accent/Charm as a weakness!

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Re: Another Small Step in the Front Door/Walkway Project
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2010, 01:00:31 am »
I hear you KC!  ;D  Nice lock talesof.  Years ago my grandparents had a rear entrance lock that used a skeleton key.  I could never open it with that key.  Must have been my inexperience with skeleton keys.  It always wobbled in the slot when I tried (I was about 10-14) and never clicked open.

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Re: Another Small Step in the Front Door/Walkway Project
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2010, 10:45:55 am »
I go to pick it up tonight, so I'll have a "better handle on it" (pun intended) shortly. I have skeleton key locks on my china hutch and they work pretty good. One does slip a bit like you say Wayward, and takes a little fanegallin' to get it to operate smoothly. I'm anticipating that I will probably have to take the whole mechanism into a locksmith before I install it in either the front or bathroom door due to the age and likely internal wear. But we'll see what I end up with tonight. Film at eleven.  ;)
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Re: Another Small Step in the Front Door/Walkway Project
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2010, 12:25:07 am »
I got the doorknob home and I'm quite pleased with it. I really like the look of it with all its wear and character and I think I'll leave it as is, unless the paint turns out to be hazardous lead or something.

The handles and latch function perfectly. What does not work is the upper lock bolt. This was painted over sometime long ago, and is immobile. The other oddity is that although the handles and face plates are matching and quite old, the keyhole in the plate doesn't quite line up with the keyhole for the lock bolt, like it was put together this way a very long time ago and used only as a handle and latch. I'm thinking I will do the same thing and just add a deadbolt.





In this view you can see the lock bolt where it was painted over:

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Re: Another Small Step in the Front Door/Walkway Project
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2010, 02:56:07 am »
It's wonderful tales, I love it. Now I just gotta buy an old house so I can do all that fun stuff, too!

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Re: Another Small Step in the Front Door/Walkway Project
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2010, 10:21:22 am »
The things in this project are actually quite a bit older than the house. My house is a little 1935 bungalow that was a summer cottage that was expanded in the 1950's. The cobbles date the gold rush in 1849 and the knocker is probably about the same age as the doorknob, so I cheat a bit when it comes to home improvement.  ;)
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Re: Another Small Step in the Front Door/Walkway Project
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2010, 10:59:26 am »
Nice find TOT7S.
Approaching 150 years old and still functioning,huh.
Beats Kwikset's life expectancy of 5-10.
I also think it looks great as is. Has a been there look that I find really appealing.
Must be great coming home from a day in the modern world to the tranquil haven your creating.Great work.

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Re: Another Small Step in the Front Door/Walkway Project
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2010, 11:28:56 am »
Dean I was surprised how well it works too. It's still got a strong spring and doesn't stick or slip, but still works like a new latch. I agree, I think to do anything to the existing finish would reduce it's charm. I love seeing where all those hands have worn away the paint.
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Re: Another Small Step in the Front Door/Walkway Project
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2010, 12:46:50 pm »
Nice little lockset , talesof .

These were fairly heavy-duty units , designed to be disassembled & cleaned easily .
I wouldn't be bashful about taking it apart to clean & lube it .... very few moving parts & springs , compared to modern assemblies .
I'd also add that they were designed with a bit of 'slop' so that it would be unusual for the lock or passage section to jam .

These little guys typically get a build-up of fine metal 'dust' , from metal-to-metal contact during use (brass , steel & iron) .
I still see strike-plates for these available (old ones , that is) at various 'sales' around everywhere for a buck or two .

It might be possible that the escushion plates & doorknobs came from another set , since the skeleton-key hole is not in 'exact' alignment with the lockset assembly .

Skeleton keys are fairly simple to make/cut & I bet you could make one (by filing down/cutting/grinding) from an existing skeleton key .
I know you gots skills !

One issue with this type of lock is the depth of the mortise needed to fit the lock into the door (modern-ish doors [such as hollow-core ones] often don't have enough 'meat' [wood] to fully mortise the lock mechanism) ; if a modern door-install is the only option , it's wise to give the mortise a brush-coat of Elmers wood glue - in the event that the core of the door uses 'chipboard' construction -(this prevents little bits of the chip-wood from entering the mechanism & making it jam) .
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Re: Another Small Step in the Front Door/Walkway Project
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2010, 05:15:09 pm »
Beautiful Tales!!!! I love it :D