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Muller Freres French Vases?
« on: June 14, 2012, 04:38:57 pm »
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Hi there:

I just bought a pair of French vases. They're made of opalascent green glass, with gilt metal cradles for each one terminating in amazing skeletal "hands" above the opening of each vase.

My research indicates that they may be by a company called Muller Freres in France, and were made ca. 1930. They are inkstamped on the bottom: "BSM" in a sort of peace sign, with "France" printed underneath. I believe the ink stamp was from an American importer, quite possibly an east coast department store.

I found one business in California that has a brown version (without the cradles) on their website, but they refuse to write back after a couple of inquiries.

Help! Tell me about these vases!!
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Re: Muller Freres French Vases?
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2012, 04:19:45 am »
Bump....Is anyone out there knowledgeable about art glass??
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Re: Muller Freres French Vases?
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2012, 04:54:24 am »
Anyone?
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Re: Muller Freres French Vases?
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2012, 09:26:22 am »
You never posted pictures of your mark.  We cannot verify your mark because we haven't seen it - you just describe.  Even then it may not be verified because of reproductions and knock-offs.  I have seen many imports of "fakes" over the past 25 years and alot of times a hands-on inspection is required.  Does the color/aging seem correct for an item of age?  These are all hints/clues to help you try and find out about your item.

In the information below, the mark was under the glaze.

Hereis one that is BSM that is CZECH POTTERY found at Bohemian, Czechoslovakian & Ceský Factory Marks
Part II of IV http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:L7YKpTQjGp8J:www.collectorscircl e.com/bohemian/porcelain/marks_table2.html+Mark+for+Brothers+Schwalb+1882-1891.+Schwalb+Brothers+owned+Porcelain+factory+in+Rybare+%28Fischern%29+that+suffered+fire+damage+and+closed+in+1891&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
"Becher & Stark - Schwalb Brothers - Camill Schwalb  Zettliz Kaolin Works Department Porcelain Factory Merkelsgrun Marks
Founded in 1868 by Alfred & Malvine Becher, Merklin, Czech Republic (Merkelsgrun, Bohemia, Austria)  1882 = 1891 BSM Mark used along with 3 other marks.
The factory produced earthenware and porcelain.

Another Site   Replacements LTD
http://www.replacements.com/china/BSM.htm

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Re: Muller Freres French Vases?
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2012, 10:14:33 am »
Here is the mark. On closer study I think it says "BDS" in the "peace sign" area. I apologize if my earlier post misled you.

As I mentioned above, because of other research I've done, I believe this mark is not the maker, but rather an American importer's stamp, possibly a department store. Speculation on other sites indicates that these vases may have been made specifically for export, an idea borne out by the fact that the stamp says "France" in English. The origin of the 3-letter acronym has thus far been impossible to trace conclusively; however, the U.S. department store or importer theory seems logical.

I believe the style, color, and aging is consistent with something made ca. 1930.

I've found pictures on the internet of one of these vases in green - like mine - and one in brown, from the online store that won't write me back. Both lean towards Muller Freres as the maker. I just wanted to find out if that made sense to any of you, or if you had a different - and better - idea on attritubution.

In any case, I've never seen one with these metal "cradles," and hoped that one of you would have an idea on value, especially for the pair.

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Re: Muller Freres French Vases?
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2012, 12:52:57 pm »
Any ideas on value? I'm hoping it's in the neighborhood of $1K for the pair.
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Re: Muller Freres French Vases?
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2012, 05:49:59 pm »
Bump for new eyes.
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Re: Muller Freres French Vases?
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2012, 08:40:57 pm »
I have an "Art Glass Book" in front of me. It says " Mueller Freres is known for his etched glass vases with floral scences. His most productive period was 1895-1914." Picture is of an etched vase, 1905  valued at $1500.-$2000., and on the next page shows an etched vase for $$18,000-$25,000. That is not your vase. ;D There's one more section on another page. Let's see on page 134.... nothing of any importance. It explains the quality. It looks like you have a good vase, but yours is not typical of his style they dicuss. They did say at the end of his career he was involved in lighting equipment.
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Re: Muller Freres French Vases?
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2012, 04:32:25 am »
Thanks Greenacres! I appreciate you going to all that trouble.

My vases don't look like typical Muller Freres, you are absolutely right. I believe the company went out of business in 1936, after temporarily shutting down in WWI. Their later stuff was much more Art Deco; I've seen several examples.

The two examples like mine that I've seen on the internet are both attributed to Muller Freres, but I don't know why. Anyway, thanks so much for the help!

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Re: Muller Freres French Vases?
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2012, 05:55:56 am »
No problem. I'll check some other books I have later.
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Re: Muller Freres French Vases?
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2012, 10:58:41 am »
What research have you done to make you believe your pieces are Muller Freres?  At first glance they appear they could be Charles Schneider: Art Deco Glass  I would search his work & see if you can come up with similar color, style  & shape.  Could you post a link to the  on line store  (I've found pictures on the internet of one of these vases in green - like mine - and one in brown, from the online store that won't write me back.) 

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Re: Muller Freres French Vases?
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2012, 03:43:15 pm »
Here's their e-mail:

jcstyle@pacbell.net

I can't find the website(s) at the moment, but will post the links when I do.

In the meantime, write them! Maybe you'll have better luck than I have :)
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Re: Muller Freres French Vases?
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2012, 04:22:22 pm »
Here's a link to the store. There's a brown version of the vase about halfway down the page:

http://www.stylefrenchantiques.com/pages/accessories.html

Here's a link to a glass message board thread partially relating to these vases. Check the posts by or relating to "Patti"

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,183.10.html


You'll notice that neither one of these sources reference the metal cradles that you can see in the photos above. Still looking for some idea about value.
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Re: Muller Freres French Vases?
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2012, 06:23:58 pm »
Your vase doen't look like that vase though. That vase is etched. Maybe you need a better picture.
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Re: Muller Freres French Vases?
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2012, 06:48:35 pm »
I did not see a brown vase at  all !! I did see an entirely different style attributed to that maker. By cradles are you referring to the stands ??