Art Nouveau Buckle Help

[The-Warden]

Hello,
I'm new to the forum, I clean out estates and found this buckle, I have done a little research and found out it was made by (Turriet & Bardach of Austria 1852-1911) I cannot find another like it any where online and am trying to find a value, I collect militaria and want to use it to trade.
                   Thanks,
                   Kevin

[bigwull]

Judging by the hue..of the metal..it looks like silverplate.over a copper base...a pic of the rear of the buckle...may tell us more...I,ve done some searching but..like you,have,nt found this buckle...but there are a few others from this maker...and from what i,ve seen the average selling price is in the region of $100/150....

[The-Warden]

Hi Bigwull,

Here are some back and TM photos, yes I've seen some for that value, but I've also found some from this Co. valued in the 300-400 range, that's what messes me up.
                                  Thanks,
                                   Kevin

[bigwull]

Well its definitely silver plate over copper...as to value...if you pitch it somewhere in the middle to high of those prices...then i don,t think you will be far off the mark....and if it is maybe worth more..then prospective buyers will bid accordingly...if this were put to auction....with a suitable reserve in place...

[The-Warden]

Hi Bigwull,
Thanks for the help, wish I could find another like it, just to check it out, I'm pretty sure it was made closer to the end of the Co. career 1911

                                       Thanks again,
                                         Kevin

[mart]

Where are you located ??  What makes you think its Turiet & Barbach !!  All I have found on them lists their marks as T&B rather than T.B. as a single persons initials !!
I think your buckle could possibly be one of Thomas Bradbury`s early marks !!  They used the shield and crown with the T.B. mark,  later added the & S for "and Sons" !! They did a lot of Sheffield plate !! Silver over copper base !!

[The-Warden]

Hi Mart,

well you can look here, it's in German, but make out what it has for mark T.B.
http://www.multimedium.eu/schmucksigniert1/turrietbardach/index.html
 or here
http://www.etsy.com/listing/107988838/vintage-1900s-to-1920-art-nouveau
or here at the bottom of page
http://www.jewelscollectingdust.com/austrohungarian.htm
                                  Regards,
                                  Kevin

[KC]

Thomas Bradbury & Sons Used TB&S (in shield with crown), prior to that did use TB, but the shape of the cartouche WAS NOT like the one seen.  TB was used with a mid point period between TB (not a period at after the T and at the line level) and even used TB.

The TB that I am familiar with (TB in a cartouche) which is what is on this one is noted as being the mark for Turriet & Bardach (or if you prefer, Turriet Und Bardach).  

Beautiful buckle by the way.

[The-Warden]

Hi KC,

Thanks for the verification on the T.B. that's what I've found up to now.

                             Regards,
                             Kevin

[mart]

May be right !!  But all I found including one German site listed their marks as T&B !! And this buckle seemed a bit simple for their work,, greek key border, to me, would put this more around 1920 or after !!  But I am not a jewelry person you know !!

[ghopper1924]

1920 would be way after art nouveau, more like deco by that time.

[The-Warden]

Hi Mart,

if you look at the three sites I supplied, you'll see they also put the Mark at Turriet & Bardach, also I found another buckle  they did in silver plate that was not so fancy and just straight lines, so I guess they did all different forms, also if it is Turriet & Bardach, it could not be later than 1911, I was told that's when the Company dissolved.

                                           Thanks,
                                           Kevin

[mart]

1920 would be way after art nouveau, more like deco by that time.

Right Ghopper, thats when the greek key design was mostly used,, during the deco period ! Nouveaux period was more feminine and flowing lines, florals ect !!  Not to say this is not Nouveaux period as different countries had an earlier or later transition !!  Guess I just see things different !!

[ghopper1924]

Fair enough....

[bigwull]

1920 would be way after art nouveau, more like deco by that time.

Right Ghopper, thats when the greek key design was mostly used,, during the deco period ! Nouveaux period was more feminine and flowing lines, florals ect !!  Not to say this is not Nouveaux period as different countries had an earlier or later transition !!  Guess I just see things different !!

you would do with them $1 cheaters....dig some bucks from out under your mattress..or from a crock that you might have buried in your backyard...and buy yourself a decent pair of specs...then you might see things differently....and. ..Oh..no X in Nouveau....