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Pearl Harbour
« on: December 11, 2012, 07:31:58 pm »
Hi, everyone. It's hard to believe the newspaper would okay the word "JAPS"! I think it sounds racist or politically incorrect. I just got this newpaper. I have a great site also which I should post in the other section.

http://www.rarenewspapers.com/list?code=catalog
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Re: Pearl Harbour
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2012, 08:52:56 pm »
Well,,the term 'politically incorrect' is a recent invention !! The headline was correct for the time !!  The Japanese had just attacked Pearl Harbor !! I don`t think anyone was in a real good mood after that !!

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Re: Pearl Harbour
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2012, 03:42:21 am »
Racism...G,acre..came in much later....we were well into the 60,s before the Racist card was played...for up until then..we had Golliwogs, Picaninnies...see link,...these names were used in advertising...both in the US and here....and we even had a sweet called a Jap....now words that use to be used are now not politically correct..e.g. Yank,Paki,Jock,Taffy,Paddy,Chinkie.Wog,Eyetie....the list is endless.....words that were alive and kicking during my childhood..have been eraised for ever...all because.......well I won,t go there.... :-X.....yes I can be diplomatic when i want to be... ;D

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=pickaninnies&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=3-rIUIK9HrHs0gWQrIGIDA&sqi=2&ved=0CD0QsAQ&biw=1024&bih=675
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Re: Pearl Harbour
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2012, 09:32:48 am »
I believe the term was used only because of the prevailing sense of decency and decorum at the time. If the true feelings of the country were used, it would have created an unprintable headline.

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Re: Pearl Harbour
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2012, 03:21:43 pm »
I realize the mood, mart, but the term "JAPS" is in poor taste. Yes times have changed. Now we are so damn nice because you get sued. You can't even talk anymore without watching what your saying. It's being Tweeted, Facebooked, Youtube and any other social media. BigWull I haven't heard the word "Picaninnies" in a long time, lol. I'm must be to sensitive. To me it would be like using the the names that I'm to embarrassed to use because I was brought up to not use names like that.
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Re: Pearl Harbour
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2012, 04:20:01 pm »
when i was growing up..there were dozens of things that were part of my childhood...but if i were to speak about them now in public... i would get charged by the police for spouting racism...yet back in the 30,s 40,s 50,s 60,s..these sayings and little ditties...were common place...here,s one as an example...it was sung on television as an advertising ditty..for Macaroon Bars....see link....


Lees, Lees, More if you Please
All of us beg on our bended knees
For Picaninnies and Grandpapas
It's Lees for lovely Macaroon Bars
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=lees+macaroon&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=3wLJULmDG8Wh0QWDiIHgDA&ved=0CFEQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=675
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Re: Pearl Harbour
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2012, 04:48:40 pm »
I dated a guy for years, whose family were very nice people, but some of these racial slurs were part of the language they had grown up with and in their own home, they used them.
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Re: Pearl Harbour
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2012, 06:42:09 pm »
Tales..over here in the UK..during the 50,s/60,s...these kind of sayings were not seen as racial slurs...things like the Macaroon Bar ditty, the Robertsons Jam Golliwog..the Black & White Minstrel Show..were all part of UK life...The only Racism we saw  was in the US...and South Africa...
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Re: Pearl Harbour
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2012, 02:59:23 pm »
Some racism is subtle, not as out right. This can be very common here. If you grow up in an area that is not metropolitian sometimes you haven't interacted with different ethnic groups and many be brought up in a atmosphere the tolerates curtain names that are really racist, but they are not as aware.
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Re: Pearl Harbour
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2012, 02:48:52 am »
I grew up with racism, and I still see it a lot. Some people are too sensitive, and pull the race card out like it's the end of the discussion. But some of it is quite real, and it's ugly. I lost an uncle in the Watts riots of 1964. Beaten to death after being dragged from his truck that he delivered drinking water in. He went to work that morning because "people still need their water". His crime was being a Mexican in a black neighborhood that day.

The newspaper wrote an insensitive headline, but for the time it wasn't considered bad. We can learn from history and the mistakes made, or we can be doomed to repeat them. It's a simple choice. But no matter how hard the history books try, we can't change the past. We can look back and learn from the those before us. Woodrow Wilson was an mean and angry racist, yet the schools teach kids that he was a great man, a pacifist even. Malcolm X was a racist and called for militant action against white people in his early days. Should we wipe these men from the history books because it's embarrassing? On the contrary, we should study them and the times that they came from to better understand how to move forward as a society, rather than reopen past wounds and dig up old hurts.

For the time period, it's not hard to believe at all. We've learned from that thankfully, and now newspapers don't print headlines like that anymore.
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Re: Pearl Harbour
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2012, 09:23:53 am »
Very well said R&RR !!

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Re: Pearl Harbour
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2012, 12:22:26 pm »
Growing up in the 50’s in a small Midwest town, I was isolated from most of what was happening elsewhere. But I do remember one incident that made an impression on me. Every Spring there would be the ritual of traveling Japanese “chicken sexers” arriving in the area to work for a couple of weeks at local hatcheries to determine the sex of baby chicks.
One year when a pair of these young men were seeking lodging for a few days the local hotel put up a NO vacancy sign. Whether the sign was up because of the hotel being filled with guests or not, I do not know. But, I do know that the local gas station owner allowed these young men to park and sleep in their car inside his station overnight during their stay in town. The gas station owner’s name was Harold, and he was a congenial guy that walked with a slight limp. Harold never discussed his past and only a few folks knew that his limp came from a bayonet wound suffered during his Army days when he survived the Bataan Death March and was held as a POW until the end of the war.
Some people need to be more like Harold. 

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Re: Pearl Harbour
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2012, 09:46:44 pm »
Agree R&RR - So sorry to hear that happened to your uncle...or anyone..  Nice story Rauville.  I grew up migrant workers that worked the fields coming into our area when the vegetables were ready to harvest and/or the orange groves were ready to be picked. They had a shanty town outside our town that they would stay.  I love going out there with our church groups and taking meals...playing with the kids.  Good hard workers!


Having adopted children from different countries my kids got racist slurs growing up in a predominant caucasian area.  We would talk about it and work through it before it ever happened in real life so they would be partially prepared.  All countries have humor in this...and there is some humor.  We have alot of fun with it in our family (with us old parents getting the brunt of it from the kids)!  The reason for this...the things people say to try and be cruel and hurtful....it can't hurt you if you don't let it!  What they have found...typically those trying to hurt go away when they don't get the reaction.  When our youngest son (now 21)  was in 8th grade (Asian and Asperger's - brilliant but geeky)-  two other 8th graders (both other minorities) attacked him viciously in the school hallway for no reason and he was out of school for 3 weeks with torn ligaments.  We filed charges and were able to address them in juvenile court.  Come to find out...they were passing the buck from being bullied....trying to feel big from picking on someone else they felt was weaker.  We talked with them alot and reduced the charges if they vowed to change.  One young man changed drastically (poor with single mom)...the other (who's parents were rich and annoyed they had to be there) changed from bullying to drugs and died his senior year.

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Re: Pearl Harbour
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2012, 10:25:41 am »
"..it can't hurt you if you don't let it!  What they have found...typically those trying to hurt go away when they don't get the reaction."....From personal experience...this does not always work....Sometime a more drastic..solution is required...
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Re: Pearl Harbour
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2012, 11:28:26 am »
Notice I put "typically".  Unfortunately, it doesn't always.

I know of many instances, mine included, where these situations can make you stronger or break you.  Fortunately in all of my children's cases it has made them stronger and more sensitive to others - they stand up for those that can't.
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