« previous next »
Pages: [1]

Author Topic: "Barker Ellis England" Goblet  (Read 3730 times)

Lonerwise

  • New Member
  • *
  • Posts: 5
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
"Barker Ellis England" Goblet
« on: December 25, 2012, 12:46:58 pm »
Hey all. I got two of these today and tried doing extensive google research to find their value, but I wasn't able to find any that look like these. They're both the same with floral like patterns on the stick part and say "Barker Ellis" and "England" under that on the bottom. They appear slightly yellowish on some parts in the picture, but in real life they appear completely silver. Anyone here have any idea?  ???
« Last Edit: December 25, 2012, 12:50:56 pm by Lonerwise »
Logged

mart

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 19849
  • Karma: +122/-1
    • View Profile
Re: "Barker Ellis England" Goblet
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2012, 01:36:05 pm »
Can you flip the pic so its upright and take another of the mark ??
Logged

Lonerwise

  • New Member
  • *
  • Posts: 5
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Re: "Barker Ellis England" Goblet
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2012, 01:52:51 pm »
I can't take anymore pictures right now, but if you save the image and open it in paint it can be flipped right-side up. The markings are leafs, vines, star shaped flowers and what looks like grape bunches.
Logged

bigwull

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7620
  • Karma: +27/-3
  • lick you to death
    • View Profile
Re: "Barker Ellis England" Goblet
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2012, 03:08:21 pm »
 "leafs, vines, star shaped flowers and what looks like grape bunches"..??...those are Not the kind of Mark,s that we are looking for...these marks are merely the decorative pattern..what we are looking for are the hallmark..that should be on the base...and No amount of flipping of this pic is going to show us that....here is an example of a Barker mark...
« Last Edit: December 25, 2012, 04:30:20 pm by bigwull »
Logged
I make no excuses,and no apologies....but i like a good Malt,

Lonerwise

  • New Member
  • *
  • Posts: 5
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Re: "Barker Ellis England" Goblet
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2012, 05:10:12 pm »
Bigwull, I'm not sure if it was your intention, but your post comes across with sort of an attitude. I am not familiar with the terminology so I didn't know mark meant "hallmark". I reported everything worthy of mention in my original post and the only words visible ("Barker Ellis" and "England"). There is no "hallmark". Also, Mart asked for a right side up picture, hence my telling her how to flip it without having to take a new picture. I obviously did not mean that flipping the image would help see the other side.
Logged

bigwull

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7620
  • Karma: +27/-3
  • lick you to death
    • View Profile
Re: "Barker Ellis England" Goblet
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2012, 05:53:23 pm »
I make no apologies...i say it as i see it...as for us having to flip pictures to save you taking more...well you,ll wait a long time...for me to do that....Merry Christmas....
« Last Edit: December 25, 2012, 06:02:51 pm by bigwull »
Logged
I make no excuses,and no apologies....but i like a good Malt,

Lonerwise

  • New Member
  • *
  • Posts: 5
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Re: "Barker Ellis England" Goblet
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2012, 06:34:04 pm »
I'm not sure why you're trying to pick a fight, especially on Christmas. Did someone not give you what you wanted? I don't have access to a camera anymore. I'm asking for help but if you don't think you can help me, you're better off not saying anything than trying to start an argument...  What's the point?  ::)

If anybody else knows anything, please let me know.
Logged

bigwull

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7620
  • Karma: +27/-3
  • lick you to death
    • View Profile
Re: "Barker Ellis England" Goblet
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2012, 06:43:07 pm »
I will say this once...I am a very happy go lucky guy...i am known on here for being..forthright and straight to the point..I don,t suffer fools gladly...and the only person I fight with is my wife....and I always lose...but from where i,m sitting there is only one person here who has an attitude....and ..its not me...
Logged
I make no excuses,and no apologies....but i like a good Malt,

mart

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 19849
  • Karma: +122/-1
    • View Profile
Re: "Barker Ellis England" Goblet
« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2012, 06:52:41 pm »
Sorry, but I don`t have Paint on this computer !!  The mark on the bottom is what I was referring to and seeing that would possibly help determine age since many companies use several through the years !!  They can usually be dated by the mark alone to within a few years. If its written out Barker Ellis its likely a newer one !! But I will check !!
Logged

bigwull

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7620
  • Karma: +27/-3
  • lick you to death
    • View Profile
Re: "Barker Ellis England" Goblet
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2012, 07:31:21 pm »
On January 2, 1979, the firm obtained a Federal registration in the USA for the trademarks Ellis & Co, Barker Ellis and Ellis Barker (the marks were cancelled in 1988)...they went into liquidation..in 1992..therefore it is safe to assume that these goblets...are not that old...and they are plated...for had they been solid silver they would have carried the Birmingham silver mark...similar to the one i already posted...as to value...over here..in UK...between £5 /£15..for the pair...
Logged
I make no excuses,and no apologies....but i like a good Malt,

mart

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 19849
  • Karma: +122/-1
    • View Profile
Re: "Barker Ellis England" Goblet
« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2012, 07:37:55 pm »
Bigwull is correct !!  The written words were only used on silverplate !!  Value here might be a little more but not much !!  I would say $10. to $20. for the pair !!  That would be in USD !!
Logged

Lonerwise

  • New Member
  • *
  • Posts: 5
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Re: "Barker Ellis England" Goblet
« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2012, 10:17:51 pm »
Thank you both. I greatly appreciate your help. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!  :)
Logged

mart

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 19849
  • Karma: +122/-1
    • View Profile
Re: "Barker Ellis England" Goblet
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2012, 09:30:22 am »
I must send my apologies ,, I should have said that yesterday I surely do wish you and yours a safe and very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year !!  Was in the middle of cooking yesterday and got a bit sidetracked !!  New and untried recipe !!
Logged
Pages: [1]
« previous next »