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Lydy

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Antique vase, maybe bowl?
« on: January 27, 2013, 09:20:24 pm »
Could anyone please tell me the history and value of this particular piece. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks

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Re: Antique vase, maybe bowl?
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2013, 09:36:03 pm »
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Re: Antique vase, maybe bowl?
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2013, 03:59:42 am »
This looks like Meissen but i'd need a clearer image. Could be a 250 year old original or one of their later remakes. Or a Samson type copy.

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Re: Antique vase, maybe bowl?
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2013, 04:11:33 am »
Appears as though the Helena Wolfsohn factory also used the mark later in the 19th century.

Probably that

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Re: Antique vase, maybe bowl?
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2013, 03:04:28 pm »
This looks like Meissen but i'd need a clearer image. Could be a 250 year old original or one of their later remakes. Or a Samson type copy.

I can get a clearer picture. You want the picture of the mark at the bottom correct?

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Re: Antique vase, maybe bowl?
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2013, 03:18:33 pm »
This looks like Meissen but i'd need a clearer image. Could be a 250 year old original or one of their later remakes. Or a Samson type copy.

I can get a clearer picture. You want the picture of the mark at the bottom correct?

Yes but also a good close picture of the porcelain and design without the flash. At an angle so it's possible to judge age / quality.


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Re: Antique vase, maybe bowl?
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2013, 06:42:22 pm »
It isn`t Meissen !! Quality just isn`t there !!

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Re: Antique vase, maybe bowl?
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2013, 08:51:02 pm »
I've sold Meissen like that thank you very much  :P

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Re: Antique vase, maybe bowl?
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2013, 10:21:08 pm »
methinks we won,t be buying any meissen off you then....
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Re: Antique vase, maybe bowl?
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2013, 04:39:31 am »
All those tens of thousands without one complaint...i must be doing something wrong.

You look at this and most people wouldn't think Meissen

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/5932791

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Re: Antique vase, maybe bowl?
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2013, 11:58:30 am »
http://users.skynet.be/rutrene/marks-meissen-ar1.htm
Doesn`t match any of the known marks !!  And since this mark was and is reserved for special pieces,, according to several authorities,,I would not consider this anything special !!  More a common decorative piece !!

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Re: Antique vase, maybe bowl?
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2013, 01:02:15 pm »
Meissen AR vase
http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot/a-meissen-oviform-vase-circa-1745-5368287-details.aspx
I doubt you'd have classed that as a " special piece ".

Meissen AR mark
http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot/a-meissen-chinoiserie-circa-1730-blue-2097086-details.aspx?intObjectID=2097086
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/14507228_meissen-augustus-rex-porcelain-vases-pair

Note the similarities in both cases. The pattern / use of birds in the first, the mark in the second and third


It's probably Wolfsohn but i rarely discount something judged on internet photos when i know better.

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Re: Antique vase, maybe bowl?
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2013, 01:43:35 pm »
Nope !!  Sorry !!  Not even remotely similar in quality , mark or anything else I can see !!  The one with the birds was attributed to known ornithological works and was quite good !!  This one isn`t !!   Just my opinion though !!

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Re: Antique vase, maybe bowl?
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2013, 06:07:59 pm »
These marks aren't remotely similar ?! Ha.
Okey dokey. I'll move on...

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Re: Antique vase, maybe bowl?
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2013, 06:23:18 pm »
Love reading a good debate. ;D
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