Who knows the baroness ?

[bigwull]

Could not the Baroness have been living in London, ........ but on holiday in Rome when it was painted?

Doesn't most everyone write something on the back of some of their photos to remind them of when n' where it was taken?

What is the nationality of the female in the painting.

Is it Dutch, English or Italian?

there are times when you crack me up.....and today is one of them.....if we can,t find the "baroness".....what chance is there of finding the nationality of the girl....

[gerspee]

The girl looks Italian to me with these clothes and looks . There was a Dutch Baron van Riemsdyk who had 5 children and in that time that one off these children could have moved to London and called herself Baroness van Riemsdyk .  Or his wife took the title because the baron himself died in 1895 and moved to England maybe or came from the UK  . Still have find out more so it will come ?

[Ipcress]

Could not the Baroness have been living in London, ........ but on holiday in Rome when it was painted?

Has anyone ever signed a work or art like that other than on a toilet wall ?

" Big Bill from Barnsley woz ere. London 1974 "

[bigwull]

i think what we might have here is......a....liquid eren koopman .......and for those of you...who only speak...Texan.....i t means..Wind up merchant.....

[Ipcress]

The girl looks Italian to me with these clothes and looks . There was a Dutch Baron van Riemsdyk who had 5 children and in that time that one off these children could have moved to London and called herself Baroness van Riemsdyk .  Or his wife took the title because the baron himself died in 1895 and moved to England maybe or came from the UK  . Still have find out more so it will come ?

Why the ambiguity ? If they are well known...


Right.

I've found a Baron Van Riemsdijk, the Director of the Rijks Museum Amsterdam. And there's mention of one who had five children including a Frederick who was involved with aviation in the early 20th.

Bit tenuous though

[mart]

Need to see back of painting !! You would think the Baroness,, would know how to spell it !!

[gerspee]

That's the ones I have found also and me think that the father off the aviation son is the most likely candidate to be connected with his family to this painting . The former first director off the Rijksmuseum had not the Baron as his title but Jonkheer . In the Dutch archives is only one Baron van Riemsdyk to be found at that time . The spelling off the name Riemsdyk is also in the newer reports on the internet done with IJ instead off Y . The original is the one on the painting done by the artist .

[bigwull]

Not the same spelling,.... Baron van.Riemsdyjk.... Baroness A.van .Riemsdyk.....

[bigwull]

time to put this topic to bed.....its becoming...double dutch....next we,ll be having a little moose wi clogs on.. ......

[gerspee]

You have spelt the name wrong with YJ in one name . What is that the original name in the archives is Riemsdyk instead off now used in the newer articles Riemsdijk . So the artist used the right spelling that was used in these years . So nothing difficult here and only some more info about this family could solve the case .

[mart]

Baroness is spelled wrong in sig. !!  Also wondering why the difference in color in sig. Reimsdyk is darker than all other words !! Oil paint does not change color !! Looks almost like Reimsdyk was on painting and all other was added later !! As someone that has worked in both oil and acrylic over the years and have done a few restorations,, I can say that it is not likely to have that much variation in color of sig. line !@!  While I cannot examine the painting,, it does look like a more accomplished painter than hobbyist and if it is,, there would be something found somewhere to prove she even existed !!  Especially at that late date in history !!

[Ipcress]

Not the same spelling,.... Baron van.Riemsdyjk.... Baroness A.van .Riemsdyk.....

Didn't say it was the same person, and the spelling is ambiguous in many cases You find subtle variations with surnames, especially non-English in the 19th century.

[Ipcress]

Baroness is spelled wrong in sig. !!  Also wondering why the difference in color in sig. Reimsdyk is darker than all other words !! Oil paint does not change color !!

a ) Barones is Dutch
b ) Riemsdyk is darker as it's outside the focus point of the flash and on a darker part of the painting. That's pretty consistent to me with the full name being signed at the same time.

[gerspee]

Your totally right about the title being Barones in Dutch (English is Baroness)  and the other writing is done in the same time . The discolouring was made with taking the photo by me . + the fact the handwriting is from the same person .

[bigwull]

Not the same spelling,.... Baron van.Riemsdyjk.... Baroness A.van .Riemsdyk.....

Didn't say it was the same person, and the spelling is ambiguous in many cases You find subtle variations with surnames, especially non-English in the 19th century.

..I know you did,nt say they were the same person, ...give me some savvy....i do know the difference between a Baron & a Baroness....this topic has become one big Yawn....full of ifs buts,maybe,s,what ifs....