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mart

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Re: Please help identify this hutch
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2013, 06:22:03 pm »
It is just a plain butt joint,, Wullie !!  Everything I see says mid century,, thought I saw a staple on the inside somewhere, but wasn`t sure!!

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Re: Please help identify this hutch
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2013, 07:51:04 pm »
I say it is a 1915-1920 kitchen piece. The hardware is not mid century and the pressed design in the doors is typical of late golden oak/birch furniture. The piece on top sure looks like the top of an armoire. It needs to go. Seeing the back would help a lot. My guess it has multiple interlocking boards. Mid Century usually had a big piece of laminated wood.

Here is the top anyway
http://orlandpark.olx.com/turn-of-the-century-1900-oak-armoire-iid-440285969

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Re: Please help identify this hutch
« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2013, 08:06:31 pm »
Look closer Frogpatch !!

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Re: Please help identify this hutch
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2013, 08:34:11 pm »
This is what I mean. Do you see a resemblance between these early 1900s pieces and the cabinet in question? Look at the pressed doors in the one piece and the pulls in both of them. Also look at the tile and rail construction of the hutch on each end. That is also typical of early 1900s. It may actually be more like 1905 in my opinion. Come on Mart it even has castors on it. The cheap drawers were on Hoosiers also

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Re: Please help identify this hutch
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2013, 08:41:55 pm »
Even the staple goods boxes used in the construction were from the late 1800s. They had the empty boxed laying around and recycled them.

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Re: Please help identify this hutch
« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2013, 09:12:10 pm »
I bet if you pulled the drawers out on your example you won`t find butt joints with screws and nails !!  Don`t think those are from shipping crates. Cant think of much that would be shipped with 1x10 oak or even pine !! I said in one of my posts that the top did come from either a bed footboard or a sideboard but the rest of it isn`t right for an early date in my opinion !!  40`s earliest I think !! But then I am a detail person !! That pressed wood was used for years  !!
My honest opinion was that this was a much later remake of an old piece !! Thought I saw where there were some runs of a refinish !!

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« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2013, 06:11:30 am »
Now I won’t even guess when that piece was built because there are too many questionable features about it.

1. the drawer pulls don’t tell anything.
2. it is an awful clean piece.
3. the long drawer has no pressed design
4. and the 1st picture in Reply #7 has me confused because it looks like the right side wall is 3 boards thick….. and which looks different than the left sidewall in the 4th picture in Reply #6

HA, maybe that is a "married cabbage" piece.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

But a really good looking piece, ..... that is without that sideboard back-splash or whatever on top of it..

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Re: Please help identify this hutch
« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2013, 09:04:15 am »
Just for the sake of argument, I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss that “trophy board / crest” on top as not being part of the original design. Over the years most of these boards were taken off and stored apart from the cupboard, and show different degrees of patina and aging. I would further suggest that the overall color / shade of the cupboard when new was darker and closer to the top piece, thus blending together the different wood species much better.
Also, maybe 1 out of 10 step-back cupboards I came across would have that piece intact, and they always used a couple of simple dowels as a means of attachment, just as the one being discussed.
Another point; many of these cupboards offered on the market over the past few decades have been over refinished and over restored. It's sometimes hard to tell where originality leaves off and creative woodworking takes over. 


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Re: Please help identify this hutch
« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2013, 10:17:33 am »
Unless I am totally off base,, the crown piece on this one is walnut,, cabinet is oak !!

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Re: Please help identify this hutch
« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2013, 11:19:35 am »
ok, let me try to answer a few of the questions above and add a few more pictures. The back is constructed of multiple planks as shown in the attached picture. I pulled a screw out of the back and took a picture of it. Looks machine cut to me. I took a picture of the caster if that helps anyone. I also took a pic of the back side of the top crest (it is definitely oak). The odd thing here is that it has both of the stamped names printed on it which pretty much blows the idea that these may represent old packing crates used in construction. Also, note that the J Roberts stamp has been crossed out with a blue crayon. I found this same thing with one of the other J Roberts stamps on the piece. Now I am completely mystified as to what these stamped names mean. On closer inspection I found old finish that had been stripped in crevices on the piece. It has definitely been refinished at least once. The top crest may have been refinished at a different time with a slightly different color. Sooo, I hope this additional info will help you guys with the date issue. If  I sold this, how much do you suppose I might get for it.
As always, thanks for all your input  :)

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Re: Please help identify this hutch
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2013, 11:27:46 am »
Also, for Cogar, I think the inside pics might have confused you. inside1 and inside2 jpegs are the top cabinet inside right and left. Inside3.jpg is the right inside of the lower cabinet. This might explain the confusion about the inside construction.

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Re: Please help identify this hutch
« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2013, 12:57:22 pm »
Sorry but that grain and cell structure is wrong for oak on that crown !! Not talking about color or an old refinish even though an earlier refinish would be only slightly different from the rest but still same tone !! Usually a piece that is exposed will darken before one that is stored will !!  Rauville`s example is oak,, compare the grain pattern,, it isn`t even close !!
Its a very new screw !!
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Re: Please help identify this hutch
« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2013, 01:06:38 pm »
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Also, for Cogar, I think the ................ inside1 and inside2 jpegs are the top cabinet inside right and left. Inside3.jpg is the right inside of the lower cabinet

sjb, I knew that already. The top section has "moveable" shelves, .... the bottom section shelf is "fixed".

And ps, I've never seen moveable shelves made thataway.

It took a lot of mill work to fashiom them.
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Re: Please help identify this hutch
« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2013, 02:53:58 pm »
The back seals the deal for me. 1900 1915. Castors, pressed design, the pulls, stile and rail sides. aged multi board back. I have had many pieces from then with butt joint drawers. The whole piece only sold for about 12.00 back then. The beaded design on the front side rails too. I was made in the mid century not that piece.

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Re: Please help identify this hutch
« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2013, 11:51:13 pm »
The adjustable shelf is similar to those I have seen from early French and imported pieces.  But don't believe it is imported. 

I agree, the hardware suggests early 1900's.  But...I think it is also a piece that has been "developed over time".  The reason being, there has been some work on it at some point.  I also though I saw a staple on the shelving system...  But that could be for repairs (homemade kind) and refinishing.

Just adding this...just saw the back post.  Early 1900's.

I have seen so many pieces (especially beds) that have extra pieces like this added to them...and they are original!  Early American beds are infamous for this!




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