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Re: Saved my family bible from the 1600s!
« Reply #75 on: September 19, 2013, 01:05:52 pm »
Update on the Bible of Thomas Bolles: I sent a request for help deciphering the early handwritten entries to the curator of the rare books collection at West Michigan University. It was shown to several specialists and they were able to decipher a partial transcription, which in context with the known history, makes perfect sense, and we can get the gist of what is being said.

So, lets take the upper portion first. Remember that spelling had not been standardized and that in the 17th century spellings were phonetic and there were letters and abbreviations that are no longer used today.

At the top we have clearly, "Tho Bolles His Bokk". There is no date, so it wasn't clear at first if this was Thomas Bolles 1576-1635 or grandson Thomas Bolles 1644-1727 inscribing the book twice, with differing spellings of Book and Bokk.

Now we know that the line below it says "That som (or Son) Sayest givves of s---igence Ld." What you need to know here is that "Ld." is the old abbreviation for "Lord" used in the 17th century. So loosely translated, this appears to say "Tho Bolles that son says (or some say) given of significant lord."

This would make sense since Thomas Bolles 1576-1635 was "landed gentry" in England, owner of a large estate in Osberton, Nottingham England and in his second marriage, married Mary Wytham who later became a barontess and heir to her father's estate. Upon Thomas' death, his lands and Osberton Hall passed unexpectedly his younger son Joseph Bolles. Joseph had moved to New England and was the father of the later Thomas Bolles (b.1644). Joseph decided to remain in America and sold the estate. Mary Wytham Bolles survived her husband Thomas (b.1576) and went on to live at Heath Hall (her fathers home) and is rumored to haunt it today. The clear inscription on a nearby page of the bible that says "Mary Bolles Her Booke" may be Mary Wytham Bolles wife of Thomas or Mary Howell Bolles wife of Joseph. Both survived their husbands and the book apparently didn't pass to the younger Thomas Bolles (1644-1727) until 1696 and this date does not match any death dates for Thomas or Joseph.

Moving down to the lower portion, reading around the text that says "Tho Bolles his Book 1696" written by Thomas Bolles 1644-1727 we have this:

"John (B?) (stricken out)"

"John (or Folow?) ----- good his ----
God gives him grase -----
fond so loke"

John Bolles is the son of Thomas Bolles (1644-1727). He was the sole survivor of a terrible axe murder.

A sixteen-year-old boy in the settlement where they lived in New London CT named John Stoddard, came asking John's mother (1696 Thomas' wife) for something and she refused him, knowing that he was a troublemaker. He went and got an axe, came in and struck her in the head as she was sitting by the bed holding her baby John. John Stoddard then went out and killed her two children who were playing outside at the time. For whatever reason, John Stoddard spared the baby John, who was found clinging to his mother. (It is a sobering thing to realize that an entire family line, not only me, but hundreds of people, all hinged upon that moment when a disturbed teenager stood over a baby with a blood-soaked axe and decided not to kill him!)

When baby John grew up, he felt very strongly that his life had been spared for a reason and he had a purpose in life to fulfill and he became intensely religious. He joined a religious movement called the Rogerenes that believed in living life by the Old Testament. This group would go to other churches and disrupt their services, so consequently, John spent a fair amount of time incarcerated for his activities. So I think the lower inscription is John Bolles, talking about God giving him grace, having spared his life.

So there we have it. Not precise transcriptions I'm afraid, but I think we can understand the gist of what our early ancestors were saying.
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Re: Saved my family bible from the 1600s!
« Reply #76 on: September 19, 2013, 01:10:13 pm »
Osberton Hall was sold for a few million recently.

I'll post some pics later or tomorrow but i'm busy / multi-tasking at the moment  ;D

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« Reply #77 on: September 19, 2013, 01:13:15 pm »
I saw that! 2011 I think was when it sold. The manor house that is there now was built after my family was there. It was built in the early 1800s and replaced the earlier house that they lived in.
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« Reply #78 on: September 19, 2013, 01:22:54 pm »
Hi Tales,

Here is a slightly different account of the murder ...

Notes for ZIPPORAH WHEELER:
On the evening of 6 JUNE 1678, Mary and Joseph (children of Thomas), with their mother, Zipporah, were murdered by a boy named John Stoddard. Suspicion of the murders first rested on Suskquanch and Keweebhunt, two Mogegan Indians, who were proved to have been at the Bolles' house not long before the murder. They were arrested and imprisoned. Subsequently the murder of a brother of this John Stoddard, and the suspicion attached to the latter of being the perpetrator of the crime, led the authorites to suspect his participation in the murders. He was examined and strongly denied that he was ever in the house, but later owned that he was the person who did the murders. He declared that he came that evening with the intent to lodge there, but Mrs. Bolles denied him liberty to lodge there and thrust him out of doors, striking him with her hand. He then drew the latch, came into the house, took an axe that stood by the wall, and struck her in the head with which she fell to the floor. He then struck her another blow on the head. He then struck the girl on the head and then the little boy on the head. The infant, John, was in the mother's lap and fell into the blood of his mother. Stoddard was hanged on 9 OCT 1678.

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/n/u/n/Raymond-J-Nunweiler/GENE6-0007.html

What a lovely name ... Zipporah

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« Reply #79 on: September 19, 2013, 01:31:27 pm »
Thanks, I was just giving a summary of the murders above. The whole thing is spelled out in quite a lot of detail in The Genealogy of the Bolles Family in America. It is several pages in length and gets pretty graphic. Stoddard was attempting to kill his own relative (I think a step brother) when all this came out. He confessed to all the Bolles murders and the attempt on his brother, and was hanged.
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« Reply #80 on: September 19, 2013, 01:47:31 pm »
I saw that! 2011 I think was when it sold. The manor house that is there now was built after my family was there. It was built in the early 1800s and replaced the earlier house that they lived in.

It's a gorgeous area. There are a few horse stables and a stud nearby. Not far to the north there's Scrooby and the land of the Pilgrim Fathers, to the south is Clumber Park and Sherwood Forest.

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« Reply #81 on: September 19, 2013, 01:49:52 pm »
It would be neat to go there someday. It meant a great deal to me to visit New London where the American Bolles descendants lived. You can still very much get a sense of their lives even if their house isn't standing, just by visiting.
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« Reply #82 on: September 23, 2013, 10:00:15 pm »
Hey there Ipcress,

I found a description of where my 12th great-grandfather is buried. He's at the parish church of Worksop. Is that "the priory" that you were speaking of? I think it is this place, is that near you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worksop_Priory

Here is the description of his grave location, it says he is under the side of the north wall:

http://books.google.com/books?id=4LgUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA17&dq=bolles+osberton&lr=#v=onepage&q=bolles%20osberton&f=false
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« Reply #83 on: September 24, 2013, 01:54:55 am »
;)

Having breakfast and i'll post those pics.

( that link doesn't say anything ? )
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« Reply #84 on: September 24, 2013, 01:57:56 am »
This is really fascinating to hear all of this about your family.  Sounds like a book/movie.

So excited for you to find out more about your family like this Talesof.  Ipcress you were meant to be on this forum!  How exciting to be a part of it!  Thanks for all your help!
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« Reply #85 on: September 24, 2013, 07:06:43 am »
Here's a link the the full gallery

http://imageupper.com/g/?S020001005F13800272 39496144

Here are the images. Click on them to see the large version



From left to right

1 ) The West side ( facing east ) with the entrance. This is at the end of a tree lined avenue called Memorial Avenue. A 100 yards behind where i took that picture is the memorial for WWI and WWII.

2 )  a brass memorial plaque for Mary Lassells ( link to her Wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Lascelles ) . The surrounding marble is very old but i think the plaque is a later sympathetic copy of the original stonework. This is inside the Priory. Helps give you an idea of how it's decorated.

3 ) The North wall exterior. The tombs infront were excavated many, many years ago for water mains etc. Remains were interred inside or elsewhere.

4 ) A pathway leading away from the Priory to the south.

5 ) The South wall

6 ) Pathway to the Gatehouse

7 ) The Gatehouse itself. Wonderful condition and just looks the part !!!!

8 ) Another view of the main entrance.

When i took these they were preparing for mass so i had limited time. I'm going back shortly to take more of the inside and do research as the Father has kindly allowed me access to certain areas otherwise restricted. There are also records of where people were buried and they are archived elsewhere but again i've been given permission to look at them.

Hope it gives you an idea of the place !




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« Reply #86 on: September 24, 2013, 08:39:09 am »
Ipcress, this is absolutely spectacular! I agree, you we were meant to cross paths! I owe you an apology, this morning I was trying to click the applaud button and I appear to have bumped into the smite button by mistake, so I will contact Dontbe and get that removed. I was working off my handheld!

I can't wait to see the rest of these photos and I will share them with the family. This is just wonderful. When you are there again, if you can ask after any records on Thomas Bolles, I would love to know where he was reinterred and anything else you can find on him.

Again,  this is absolutely wonderful and makes the incredible find of the bible all the more meaningful. Makes me want to make a trip across the pond!
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« Reply #87 on: September 24, 2013, 09:35:14 am »
Glad you like them !

The church floor, like many, is made from stone slabs, interspersed with tombstones which have been removed from the graveyard. Most are early 19th century. However, there are some 17th and early 18th but i had around 10-15 minutes and the writing is obviously very faint or inellegible in many places.

In one corner of the church is a small chapel, outside of which lie three sarcophagi / tomb effigies , similar to those seen in The Da Vinci Code in Temple Church when they arrive in London. One is for Thomas Furnival who fought with Henry III in 1341.


Thomas Bolles first wife Elizabeth is also buried there and i have seen a tombstone with Elizabeth and 16 on it but it's mostly effaced now.

I waited an extra few days to take the photos in good weather. Nice to have stunning views instead of drab clouded skies
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« Reply #88 on: September 24, 2013, 10:44:50 am »
I'm guessing that the parish records should be able to identify where the Bolles reburials are. The online parish records show baptisms but not burials, and Find-a-Grave only lists 22 internments, the Bolles are not among those. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GScid=2408457 My guess is that there may be a parish record from when they were reinterred. 
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« Reply #89 on: September 24, 2013, 11:00:18 am »
Ipcress, I've been asked to write a series of articles for the Bolles Family Assn newsletter. Could we use your photographs in one of the articles when I tackle the Osberton/Nottinghamshire/Worksop stuff? I would like to credit you for your assistance in the article and give you photo credit in your actual name if that would be OK. Please drop me an email and we can talk more, I'll probably deal with this one last in the series, so there is no hurry. talesofthesevenseas@hotmail.com
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