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rayhs1984

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Re: Teapot claiming to be 1810 Austrian
« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2013, 12:16:37 am »
Hmmmm...not a bad price considering they have to pay for shipping. Would hold out for a touch more though ( pity about the cover )

I've also seen English pieces marked like that to the base when there's a firing crack. The crack is marked, the piece is not stamped with the factory mark or it's marked as a second ( a scratch through the trademark ) if that's already been put on.

Also think it's more common for English pieces to be unmarked.


Someone earlier questioned the date. Well i think the following link might be helpful. Click below and zoom on the image. Note the spout and handle - very similar to this piece. Berlin porcelain though is generally even finer and lighter than yours.

http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/5000038/tea-and-coffee-service

Also this Dresden piece

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/8614395


If you're interested in identifying pieces in future, it would help to read up about hard / soft paste porcelain and it's history in Europe and the UK. Would only take an hour to get an idea.
 Marks aren't everything.


Thank you so much, I've looked at lot of teapots on-line and it's been so hard to find ones with a similar handle and you found 2. It's good to have some information to nail down the date so I can know what it actually is. As for price the offer was actually $75 with $25 assumed for shipping, there were 6 teapots that went for a combined $30. 2 had makers marks   one had a factory #, 2 were unmarked and then this one that had the paper inside.
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Re: Teapot claiming to be 1810 Austrian
« Reply #31 on: November 20, 2013, 11:20:39 am »
Great resource Ipcress!

Also, over the years I have found that cups and saucers go along with many of the styles of teapot!  These links are very helpful in helping to give a time period for the truly vintage/antique items (not the repros)!  The person who put this all together based it on demitasse sets.

Cups/Saucer Styles  http://demiq-demitasse-cups-saucers.blogspot.com/2011/04/cup-handle-shapes-styles.html

 Saucer & Plate Shapes, Styles & Designs   http://demiq-demitasse-cups-saucers.blogspot.com/2011/04/saucer-plate-shapes-styles-designs.html

Cup Handle Shapes & Styles http://demiq-demitasse-cups-saucers.blogspot.com/2011/04/cup-handle-shapes-styles.html

Also, recommend you get a good book on handle styles!  Such as the ones listed on this site (and usually get the most recent book as the second one here!) http://teawithfriends.blogspot.com/2008/04/getting-handle-on-teacup-collecting_9717.html
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Re: Teapot claiming to be 1810 Austrian
« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2013, 01:36:39 pm »
I do not think this is Austrian or English I think it was made in Japan, Style of trees, bridge , Pagoda, and the rounded mark indent in the base looks similar to some old Nippon flowers they used to mark pieces with.  Not to mention the very flat top. Try searching within those ideas.  :)

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Re: Teapot claiming to be 1810 Austrian
« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2013, 02:27:11 pm »
It's not Jap. Style is wrong, as is the porcelain. Noritake made some similar in style in the early 20th but again they looked different and the porcelain was different.

Oriental gardens were quite common in Europe in the 18th and 19th centuries.

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Re: Teapot claiming to be 1810 Austrian
« Reply #34 on: November 20, 2013, 02:44:31 pm »
It's not Jap. Style is wrong, as is the porcelain. Noritake made some similar in style in the early 20th but again they looked different and the porcelain was different.

Oriental gardens were quite common in Europe in the 18th and 19th centuries.
there still quite common today....there,s a Chinese takeaway around the corner...and its called Oriental Garden.... ;)
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Re: Teapot claiming to be 1810 Austrian
« Reply #35 on: November 20, 2013, 10:17:13 pm »
Ha Ha Wullie!  :/

This style has been popular for a long time and like Ipcress stated was popular in Europe and England.

I am leaning towards a reproduction piece...BUT with that said....possibly from 1940's.  Seems that most people hear reproduction and think they aren't worth anything.  Granted this isn't worth zillions...but it is an older pot that has had some use (notice wear to handle) and cracked lid.  I would garner this was a mass produced peace.

Can't tell from the picture of the scene...but it looks more like a decal than hand painted???!!!!
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Re: Teapot claiming to be 1810 Austrian
« Reply #36 on: November 21, 2013, 04:12:42 am »
Confident it's 19th.