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dondon1903

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'Meissen' Ginger Jar
« on: January 28, 2014, 10:06:46 am »
Hello,

We came across this at an auction (that's where the photos are from). We've been digging around a wee bit and found something very very similar that was sold on ebay.

The thing is, the one we are looking at was dated 1700-1731 by the auctioneer. It's also got a slightly strange marking on the bottom that looks vaguely Meissen but we cant find an exact match. By all accounts there are more than a few fakes out there. The one on ebay (Dresden Hand-painted Cobalt Porcelain Ginger Ja) is from 1900 and has no marking on the bottom.

By the way .... Our one is quite badly cracked on the lid. It's not too obvious by the photos but on the inside of the lid someone has clearly had an accident and done a half decent job of fixing it!

Here's the ebay one ...http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dresden-Hand-painted-Cobalt-Porcelain-Ginger-Jar-2-Lovers-Scene-Flowers-c-1900-/190835139732

The pics are our one..

« Last Edit: January 28, 2014, 10:10:31 am by dondon1903 »

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Re: 'Meissen' Ginger Jar
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2014, 11:35:17 am »
Mark doesn`t look like much of anything to me !! It isn`t Meissen !!

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Re: 'Meissen' Ginger Jar
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2014, 11:48:19 am »
Well the one on Ebay is a fake / copy. The gilding and enameling is poor. The shade of blue is wrong

I seriously doubt this one is that old either. Looks like the cataloguer has dated this mainly on attributing the mark to early 18th century Meissen, which is a mistake.

This is similar to how it would look had it been made during that period. Obviously this is a vase but it illustrates the quality of gilding, the colours, the general quality


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Re: 'Meissen' Ginger Jar
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2014, 11:50:01 am »
Mark doesn`t look like much of anything to me !! It isn`t Meissen !!

It's similar to the sceptre mark you see on some Meissen and Dresden, usually KPM though.

Looks like a blatant copy

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Re: 'Meissen' Ginger Jar
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2014, 11:54:54 am »
The smaller splodge is a little star. The other one can only be described as a line with something 'snaked' round it.... :)

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Re: 'Meissen' Ginger Jar
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2014, 12:27:24 pm »
I thought it looked like something had been started then scribbled out !! Similar to a factory "second" !!

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Re: 'Meissen' Ginger Jar
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2014, 04:26:23 pm »
That is what I was thinking Mart...that it resembled as seconds "mark out" mark!
I'm from the South - but please don't mistake my Southern Manners/Accent/Charm as a weakness!

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Re: 'Meissen' Ginger Jar
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2014, 04:52:34 pm »
That could account for the crack in the lid !! Firing crack !! Makes the piece weaker, it eventually broke and was repaired by whoever had it !!  He said it was a pretty good repair and most of the firing cracks break pretty clean,, would be an easy fix !!

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Re: 'Meissen' Ginger Jar
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2014, 06:10:06 pm »
It's a mark that is seen on some very good porcelain. It's just been copied.

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Re: 'Meissen' Ginger Jar
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2014, 06:14:54 pm »
Well,, since it just looks like a squiggle to me,,I will take your word for it !! :D

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Re: 'Meissen' Ginger Jar
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2014, 06:23:26 pm »
http://www.arts-antique.com/Meissen_Marks.htm
Mark 17. Similar to the Rod of Asclepius mark seen on Worcester in the UK. Can also look like the sceptre mark of KPM.
Used at a later time with the AR monogram




These are examples of the Rod Of Asclepius. ( often confused with the double snake, the Caduceus )

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Re: 'Meissen' Ginger Jar
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2014, 07:55:55 am »
That could account for the crack in the lid !! Firing crack !! Makes the piece weaker, it eventually broke and was repaired by whoever had it !!  He said it was a pretty good repair and most of the firing cracks break pretty clean,, would be an easy fix !!

Look like it had been dropped. Lots of cracks ... Looked like some wee flakes had been stuck back in.. When we first looked at it we thought ... maybe the fact that they've went to the effort to fix it would suggest there is some value in it.. :-\

Thanks for the info folks. You really know yer stuff... :)

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Re: 'Meissen' Ginger Jar
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2014, 11:15:26 am »
Its very pretty regardless of value !!