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cogar

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For … Illiniguy, my flint knife or spear point
« on: February 19, 2014, 06:15:01 pm »


Illiniguy, here are three (3) hi-res pictures of the "point" which I have and would like your critique of ….. as well as an estimated value. I don’t plan on ever selling it …. but am just curious.

I don’t know if it should be called a knife or a spear point because I suppose it could be used as either. It had been buried under 8” to 10” of soil (dirt) where I found it (with help of my JD-1010 dozer)

The point is 6 ¼ inches long and looks perfect to me, no flaws that I can see. I found it when I was living in Herkimer County in Upstate New York and about 5 miles NE of the City of Utica.

The first 2 pictures are of the same side of the flint and the 3rd picture is of the opposite side.








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Re: For … Illiniguy, my flint knife or spear point
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2014, 06:45:45 pm »
Cogar, that is a beauty...a real nice one! I would definitely call it a knife. The problem is, typology is a very regional thing and I am mired here in the Midwest. However I have posted it on an artifact forum I am a member of so hopefully we can come up with something. Once I figure out the type , Maybe I can figure a value. Ray

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Re: For … Illiniguy, my flint knife or spear point
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2014, 07:11:54 pm »
Mart is familiar with this topic.
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Re: For … Illiniguy, my flint knife or spear point
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2014, 07:25:32 pm »
Yes and I am waiting to hear what they think of this knife !!  Someday when I am in town I am going to stop by the optometrists office and see if he still has a few of mine !! I will take pics if he does !! I got talked into letting him have a couple of frames of my better points !! 

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Re: For … Illiniguy, my flint knife or spear point
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2014, 08:04:30 pm »
Well I think We have the type. Time period would be from 2900 B.C. to about 1800 B.C. I would say value would be in the 1000 dollars range but please that is a guess.
http://www.arrowheads.com/forums/what-did-i-find/79850-help-on-a-new-york-type

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Re: For … Illiniguy, my flint knife or spear point
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2014, 08:17:01 pm »
Sure similar form !!  Looks like they got it Cogar !!   

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Re: For … Illiniguy, my flint knife or spear point
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2014, 09:10:38 pm »
These guys are both 30+ year collectors from the Northeast and very knowledgeable so you can trust their judgment. I used Greg Perino's " Selected Performs ,Points and Knives of the North American Indians" for the dates and Overstreets Indian Arrowheads Price Guide for the value. Please be aware it is very difficult to value a piece without actually personally inspecting it.

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Re: For … Illiniguy, my flint knife or spear point
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2014, 09:17:32 pm »
It's beautiful.
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Re: For … Illiniguy, my flint knife or spear point
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2014, 06:14:16 am »
Illiniguy, thank you very much, that was great info. I will print it on a small piece of paper and place it in the case with the “point”.

Like I stated in my original post, when I found the “point” I called the Herkimer County CC (part of the SUNY system) and talked to a Professor of Archeology, whose 1st question was “Where do you live” …. followed by “I’ll be right there”. And in 20 minutes he was.

After he checked the site where it was buried, …. which is about 2+ miles up on top of a per se mountain overlooking Utica and the Mohawk River, (see pic below)…. he estimated its age at approximately 10K years old. But he was kinda young, like 30’ish, so I’ve always been dubious of his learned experiences. (ps: I was a “gentleman” farmer, worked full time as a computer design eng. and raised “beefers” for tax purposes)

And to repeat my story for all the new members and viewers, it was probably what some would call a “miracle” that I found it. I had been using my 1010 JD dozer to fix up some tractor/jeep roads on my “back 40” and being low on gas decided to head back to the barn. I took a short-cut across the cow pasture which was full of those “humpies” so I just lowered the blade so it would ”cut” about 1” or so of dirt thus filling in the low spots and cutting through those “humpies” out in front of me, effective making another smooth tractor road.

It was a week or so later and a rain storm or two, that I was out walking the “back 40” and came back that way and right in the exact center of where I pushed through one of those “humpies” laid that knife point, …… flat & flush even with the top of the “cut”. If that dozer blade had been 1” higher or ¼ inch lower then that knife point would still be a lost artifact.

The absolute truth is, I walked past it about 5 feet, stopped dead in my tracks, was absolutely sure I had just seen an hallucination and was afraid to look back to see if it was really lying there. Now talk about a “rush of adrenalin” as I lifted it up unbroken, out of its resting place in that hard clay soil.

To give you an idea how “high up” from the river that knife point was found, I just received this picture a couple days ago. It was taken on the west side of the house I once owned and is “looking” slightly SSE with the City of Utica, NY toward the right. On clear nights one can see the “city lights” a twinkling.


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Re: For … Illiniguy, my flint knife or spear point
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2014, 06:42:07 am »
A sort of similar thing happened behind my parents farm !! One of the neighbors was clearing scrub brush on the bank of a creek with a small dozer !! He uncovered the upper half of an Indian skeleton !! Odd thing was it was not near any burial site but was on a slope where the creek ran through !! This land was all a forest till recent farmers cleared it !! They surmised that he must have died while hunting or something similar and simply dropped in his tracks so to speak !!
As to the rest of him,,likely animals moved the bones !! NTSU did research the site !!

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Re: For … Illiniguy, my flint knife or spear point
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2014, 04:00:05 pm »
No problem Cogar, glad I could help out. As far as the Adrenalin rush you felt, well I have been picking these things up for over thirty years now and I get it every time I find one.