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Staffordshire Deep Blue Commemorative Dish
« on: October 05, 2015, 02:23:08 pm »
Hello helpful people:

Another item to test your knowledge!

This is a Staffordshire deep blue commemorative dish, about 2.25 inches deep. The center of the dish shows early 19th century boats on a river or lake with some castellated fortifications and a house on hills in the background. I regret that I don't recognize them. To the left is an allegorical blindfolded female figure titled "America, and" with, on the right, an allegorical figure of a woman in a conical hat with 3 branches at the top titled "Independence." To the left of "America" is a cameo rendering of George Washington, to the right of "Independence" is what looks like a hat on top of a tall stick; "Liberty" is written on the hat.

The sailboats and fortifications are surrounded with flowers and leaves that look to be ca. 1840-50 in style. Around the rim of the dish are the 15 states rendered as if they are printed on fabric. For example, due to "folds" Maryland looks like "Maland" and Rhode Island looks like "RhoIsland." I know that Kentucky, the 15th state, was admitted in 1792. However, due to the foliage and clothing, I think it's early 19th century at the earliest.

OK, we're almost there. The long sides, underneath the lip of the dish, show the house featured on the center of the obverse, flanked by the allegorical figures as well as flowers and what look like peaches. The underside/reverse shows swirls in an oval pattern with the circular mark reading "Branded Staffordshire Cl" with the rest of the lettering lost. There is a crown within the circular lettering.

So it APPEARS to be a Staffordshire deep blue commemorative dish. I'd say it's around 1825, but it could be later.

Can you provide a value and affirmation of the date?
« Last Edit: October 05, 2015, 02:49:09 pm by ghopper1924 »
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Re: Staffordshire Deep Blue Commemorative Dish
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2015, 02:57:26 pm »
Doesn't look too old and unlikely to be British. Maybe a US company making them ? Worse case is a fake of some description. That style crown on the mark is not something you'd see on 19th century pottery

- I'm on my iPad though so will check on the laptop later !

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Re: Staffordshire Deep Blue Commemorative Dish
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2015, 03:34:30 pm »
Oh, and the "Cl" in the mark may stand for "Clews."
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Re: Staffordshire Deep Blue Commemorative Dish
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2015, 05:37:58 pm »
Look again at the mark Ghopper,, that should be the pattern name !!  Instead of Cl,, could it be Ol as in Old ??  Can`t read the other word !!

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Re: Staffordshire Deep Blue Commemorative Dish
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2015, 05:54:11 pm »
Definitely Cl and pretty sure it's an "e" next.
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Re: Staffordshire Deep Blue Commemorative Dish
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2015, 05:57:12 pm »
http://www.thepotteries.org/mark/a/adams.html

Ignore that last post Ghopper,,  the second word is "warranted" !!  Similar to the above !!  Looking again I think it is a "CL" !!  Back to the search !!


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Re: Staffordshire Deep Blue Commemorative Dish
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2015, 06:25:17 pm »
But modern.

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Re: Staffordshire Deep Blue Commemorative Dish
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2015, 06:26:34 pm »
Matched it to the Clews Warranted mark and I think you are right Ghopper !!  This is the type of earthenware they made 1818-1834 !!

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Re: Staffordshire Deep Blue Commemorative Dish
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2015, 06:29:21 pm »
It's modern, Mart. Certain things just don't look right and there's an article on it here

http://www.oldandsold.com/articles01/article703-2.shtml

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Re: Staffordshire Deep Blue Commemorative Dish
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2015, 06:48:51 pm »
Thanks for the help Ipcress and Mart.

I phoned MsGhopper about this, since it's from her family. She said that it's been in her family since at least the early 20th century - maybe longer - and that she remembers it as a child. Let's say that's some decades ago...:)

Maybe the flash makes the background appear too white?
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Re: Staffordshire Deep Blue Commemorative Dish
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2015, 07:03:52 pm »
Have you seen the spelling of Maryland ?

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Re: Staffordshire Deep Blue Commemorative Dish
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2015, 07:12:17 pm »
Yes, I mentioned it in my first post. It matches the one in the Skinner auction a few posts above this one. The Winthertur plate also has misspellings, although they are different states.
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Re: Staffordshire Deep Blue Commemorative Dish
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2015, 07:32:07 pm »
Sorry, not for me. And I don't like the mark.

There's also too many of these for sale online at lowish prices. Clews didn't produce many of these.