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kluksu

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1760 Antonio Gabrielle violin
« on: February 10, 2016, 09:23:26 am »
hi,
i have this violin and i was wondering if its real and what is his value.
thank you!
P.S i have more pictures if needed.
« Last Edit: February 10, 2016, 09:30:02 am by kluksu »

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Re: 1760 Antonio Gabrielle violin
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2016, 11:12:25 am »
Might be a late 19th century copy or an earlier one restored, although the sound holes look a bit rough

I'll as someone who knows !

Any chance of an image of the label ? Should be possible in good daylight.

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Re: 1760 Antonio Gabrielle violin
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2016, 12:05:22 pm »
Yes , kluksu , more images would be nice (possibly one of the label , as Ipcress mentioned) , esp. if they included the entire violin .

Sometimes the bow is a valuable item too !
" Methinks me the 'mental' in sentimental .... "

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Re: 1760 Antonio Gabrielle violin
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2016, 12:32:33 pm »
here's the label

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Re: 1760 Antonio Gabrielle violin
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2016, 12:36:29 pm »
heres the bow.
thats the best picture of the bow that i got

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Re: 1760 Antonio Gabrielle violin
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2016, 12:40:43 pm »
the case
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Re: 1760 Antonio Gabrielle violin
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2016, 12:54:18 pm »
the violin

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Re: 1760 Antonio Gabrielle violin
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2016, 04:12:10 pm »
What is the total length of the violin ??

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Re: 1760 Antonio Gabrielle violin
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2016, 08:25:42 pm »
It's real...I can see it!  :)
I'm from the South - but please don't mistake my Southern Manners/Accent/Charm as a weakness!

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Re: 1760 Antonio Gabrielle violin
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2016, 10:13:28 pm »
Thanks for taking the time to post the extra images , kluksu !

It's sure tough to give a correct id on this one (for me) .

The realest & most accurate advice from me to you is  :
1. Loosen those strings until they have no tension in them .
2. Don't clean it !
3. Get thee to a very good luthier , or a violin 'pro' for an correct I.D. on this little guy .


I'll just ramble on a bit about your fiddle for a min. , though .....

It is known that the Gabrielle (aka Gabrielli) 'shop' in Florence produced good quality violins & that they used a yellow varnish & written labels ( & did so in the 1760's) .

Yours seems to show lots of dings & small dents & possibly some 'worm holes' too (?) ...such marks can be a sign of both antique instruments & copies , as well as those intended to deceive (fakes) .
The very dark 'dot' on the back (where it looks like there's been a repair) near the base of it's neck is possibly iron corrosion from a steel/iron nail .... you might want to get a magnet & see if it holds onto it .
If that is a nail , it's a repair not done by a luthier !

Sometimes various violins were 'repaired/reassembled' in a manner which marries parts from other , non-original parts ... including major components of necks , fronts & backs .

I've seen a few hundred violins in Europe , many of which were survivors of wars over there & were repaired 'roughly' enough for them to be played again (times were extra-very tough after WW2) , esp during reconstruction periods .

Some of these old boys can play real sweet , too .



Maybe you've got a real pearl there , even if it does need work , kluksu !

Still being a pest , maybe could you post a pic of the side , front & back that do show the complete & entire instrument ?

Also ... where did you find this cool little item ?
" Methinks me the 'mental' in sentimental .... "

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Re: 1760 Antonio Gabrielle violin
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2016, 12:45:26 am »
i am an ebay seller, i sell lots of collectibles so i go to flea markets a lot.
i meat a guy here with an amazing violins collection and he wants me to help him sell it, so this is the first one he wants to sell.
i was wondering if its good for ebay or maybe an auction house is a better way to go.
BTW the violin sounds amazing and its from israel so theres a good chance that it was brought here by a WW2 survivor.
here are some more pictures.

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Re: 1760 Antonio Gabrielle violin
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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2016, 12:49:35 am »
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