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Re: American Pilgrim Table
« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2016, 11:54:16 am »
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Re: American Pilgrim Table
« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2016, 12:11:02 pm »
Okey Dokey, I came, I saw, I got the crap beat outa me! and the sale hasn't even started yet! It'll open at 15k, zoom into the 30s or so before slowing down and settle at 43k with BP i predict. What's your estimate? winner gets a Karma from everybody who predicts!

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Re: American Pilgrim Table
« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2016, 12:14:28 pm »
45K with bp
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Re: American Pilgrim Table
« Reply #33 on: August 05, 2016, 12:20:49 pm »
This table could very well be 1660, that is only 51 years after the first english settlers landed at Jamestown Va. in 1609, DAMN! incredible piece of early americana, it should probably be in a museum.

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Re: American Pilgrim Table
« Reply #34 on: August 05, 2016, 04:42:36 pm »
Is there any kind of provenance with this table ??  Or did someone just dig it out of the barn ??  Wish they had pics of the underside !! 

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Re: American Pilgrim Table
« Reply #35 on: August 05, 2016, 05:38:27 pm »
Jacon4, in Reply #30, 2nd picture, …. is there any particular reason why the back panel of the drawer was “beveled”?

And if it truly is a circa 1660 table then my sale estimate is $62K.  8) ::)

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Re: American Pilgrim Table
« Reply #36 on: August 05, 2016, 07:07:17 pm »
Thats the underside of the drawer,, I meant the table !!   Where the legs attach !!  Something just bugs me about the table !!

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Re: American Pilgrim Table
« Reply #37 on: August 06, 2016, 12:17:20 am »
Is there any kind of provenance with this table ??  Or did someone just dig it out of the barn ??
lol @ barn, yes, there is provenance but, if i am correct about plate #882, there are issues there. It could be the present owners purchased it from  Fuessenich in the 1920s.

Jacon4, in Reply #30, 2nd picture, …. is there any particular reason why the back panel of the drawer was “beveled”?
Yeah, i noticed that to and i can't think why you would do that on purpose. It could be that when riving oak, it doesn't always split where you want it to and instead of tossing that board, builder used it there.  Pure speculation on my part.

Something just bugs me about the table !!
Nevermind all that old woman, just make your estimate & move along! reaches for my BAM! stick!

Bottom line? After looking at pic's, i am 99% sure this table is right as rain, the thickness of the top, drawer sides, the drawer construction, the front apron, the crease moulding on side/back rails, it's all correct and american. It is clearly the earliest american table i have ever seen and almost unreal that it has survived for 356 years. I also have no idea what this little guy will sell for but one thing is certain, it's the star in this sale for sure.
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Re: American Pilgrim Table
« Reply #38 on: August 06, 2016, 01:47:38 am »
I'm a guessin' $47,000.

I made the mistake of looking through the Skinner auction link that you posted.  Spent too much time looking as usual!  LOL

I really like that "Paint Decorated Bureau". 
http://www.skinnerinc.com/auctions/2922M/lots/306

The auction also has some interesting tramp art!
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Re: American Pilgrim Table
« Reply #39 on: August 06, 2016, 09:52:33 am »
I looked for that pic but couldn`t find it anywhere !!  Guess I should buy the book !!  OK !!  This old woman will say if correct as you think,, $57.K !!  KC took my original thought of $47. so I will up it ten !!   

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Re: American Pilgrim Table
« Reply #40 on: August 06, 2016, 12:57:30 pm »
You are not going to find the #882 plate online, they want you to buy the book! Wake up old woman, it's 2016, not 1916! BAM! I'll take a pic of plate 882 with my phone cam & post in awhile. You realise Nutting's furniture treasury is considered the bible for american furniture and EVERYONE  that talks about old furniture is required to have one? This is EXACTLY what Sam was talkin about back in the day! Texan's don't know jack about furniture!

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Re: American Pilgrim Table
« Reply #41 on: August 06, 2016, 02:28:09 pm »
Here you go Mart, just for you, plate 882

Hmmmm, it's sideways, if i click it, it's right side up, weird

OK, it's all better now
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Re: American Pilgrim Table
« Reply #42 on: August 06, 2016, 03:04:11 pm »
KC, why not register for the sale? Easy to do, couple clicks and BAM! you're in. It might go cheap, you can never tell though with painted pieces.

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Re: American Pilgrim Table
« Reply #43 on: August 06, 2016, 05:51:07 pm »
Jacon4,, look at the length of the top in Nuttings  pic and then compare to the online pic !!  I wondered why here was not one straight on pic !!  All are on an angle !!  Look different to you ??

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Re: American Pilgrim Table
« Reply #44 on: August 06, 2016, 06:22:27 pm »
Yeah, it looks different but, i don't think that is definitive. Nutting pic is 1920 when cameras were rather primitive, no dimensions were given either. Take the pics i posted here that Skinner sent, they look MUCH different on my computer than they do on forum. Much sharper, a lot more detail, color is totally different,
bla bla bla.
Bottom line is, the apron is an exact match, ditto the legs and, when i enlarged the nutting pic the wooden pins on the apron are in the exact same location as skinner table, also the description in nutting says oak with pine top, exactly like skinners. It has already been suggested by others that the skinner table was made in same shop as nutting table and there are 2 tables. I have rejected that argument because, the idea that there are 2 tables built in 1660 by the same shop that survived and are as close as these doesn't make sense to me, the wood pins in the exact same location confirmed for me that these 2 pics are of the same table. Naturally, i could be wrong but i think it is the same table.
BTW, the person arguing for 2 tables was concerned about the feet, they argued that in nutting pic, feet are much smaller which is true however, when you blow up the nutting pic there is a white cloth background table is sitting on and i conclude that it's the ruffles in the cloth that make the feet appear smaller.

In any event, it's all academic at this point, i got about as much chance winning this table as i do winning the lottery tonight!
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