Question about J Pouyat mark

[ssf2]

I have a ramekin and plate that I have a question about. The mark on the bottom of the ramekin is the J.P. white ware mark. The mark on the plate is the J Pouyat wreath mark, but the name is in red. I haven't seen that before (not that I have seen too much J Pouyat in person anyway.) Online all I see is a green mark and indicates dates 1914-1932. Does the red and green variation mean a different date range, or maybe a different factory or something? Or some one at the factory that day just felt like mixing it up  bit?

[mart]

https://www.google.com/search?q=jean+pouyat+limoges+marks&sa=X&rlz=1C1SKPC_enUS366US455&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=709&tbm=isch&imgil=DIFCfB80g-LTKM%253A%253Bej_9hQqLNCK4EM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.antiquepeek.com%25252Fporcelain_plate.htm&source=iu&pf=m&fir=DIFCfB80g-LTKM%253A%252Cej_9hQqLNCK4EM%252C_&usg=__itYx4r3EubKDubMUH1yF7U-QenA%3D&ved=0ahUKEwi8u6L6__vOAhXBxYMKHRHsCSwQyjcIVQ&ei=Ql_PV7ySD8GLjwSR2KfgAg#imgrc=_aHpeKmKp1AbAM%3A

On some pieces you see both marks !!  One is the factory mark and the wreath is the decorators mark !!  All I have seen has had the red letters and bow !!  Read the ad for 1907 in the link above !!
Its possible that he bought some blanks and just did the decorating and others were made and decorated at his studio !!
And another thing I forgot,, The smaller pieces,,due to the size,,gets a single smaller mark where as the larger  ones get the double mark  !!

[ssf2]

I think there is no decorator mark on the bottom of the ramekin because the bottom is not glazed. I have another one from a different maker and it only has the white ware mark as well. None of the others I have seen anywhere are glazed on the bottom of the ramekin, and none have the decorator mark. Seems they didn't glaze the bottom of pieces that go into the oven.

Any ideas as to dates? I am not familiar with J Pouyat.

[mart]

Since the JP over L mark was the only one used by his studio could be anywhere between 1890 and 1932 !!  You might try posting a pic on replacements.com and let them research the pattern !!  Its a free service !! And check and see if they have this pattern in their inventory !!  It may give the date of production !!

[mart]

I looked around and found that most ramekins have unglazed bottoms !!  And by several makers so I assume here is a reason,,but don`t ask me what it is !!  No clue unless it helps the souffle cook better !!

[ssf2]

Modern ramekins have unglazed bottoms as well. Must have something to do with heat transfer?

[KC]

Beat me to it...ramekins typically do not have glazed bottoms because they are most often placed in water baths and the porous characteristic of the container will have a more even temperature dispersion and steaming effect.  Thus you don't get the hard crusty edges on a pudding/custard like you would on a item cooked in a casserole dish.

[mart]

There you go !!  The chef speaks,,and I listen !!  Ramekins are something seldom (like never) used around here !!

[KC]

Mart, ours get used all the time (the family likes them to put snacks in them!)  LOL

[mart]

I don`t even own a set of ramekins !!  I just throw snacks in a cereal bowl !!

[ghopper1924]

I'm "excited" to note that we have a couple of ramekins. I didn't even know that's what they were called.

[mart]

We are getting an education aren`t we Ghopper ??

[KC]

I'm getting a new set of them slowly but surely...The hubby is flying London alot and brings home several of the most amazing puddings/mousse each trip (they are sold in good quality stoneware ramekins).  😏

[Ipcress]

Pouyat POY582

[mart]

Is that the pattern number Ipcress ??