help identify these german etchings

[snoopy666]

Hi everyone
I have these two etchings of german vineyards numbered in edition
I cannot find out who the artist is as i simpy cannot read the signature
any help appreciated
regards
jamie

[ghopper1924]

I don't know, but I'm pretty sure it's not Albrecht Durer.

[mart]

Alright smarty pants !!  Picking on the little old lady are ya` !!     Did any one notice the Initials in the etching ?? T over A ??

[snoopy666]

Hi yes i did notice the Initials hidden in the etching looks like T and  A
regards
jamie

[mart]

These are two separate etchings are they not ??  The initials are on both but the top pic they are not so pronounced as the second pic !!  Where did you get these etchings ??

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=German+art+forums

Do not know if it will help but Facebook has a German art forum !!  Since it is a pretty widely followed site,, someone there might be familiar with these works !!  I can`t make heads or tails of the signature !!

[Raven31557]

I have a friend born in Germany.
I will enlarge the writing and email it to him.
See if maybe he can read it and/or translate.

[Ipcress]

I'll give you a clue.

It's called  " Wehlener Sonnenuhr "

[mart]

But whats the signature ??  And what is Wehlener Sonnenuhr ??  And where have you been ??

[snoopy666]

Hello from UK
thanks for all input and help.
There are two etchings that are similar but i have included  the one full size and the signature from the other up close as its the signatures am trying to identify.

wine selection international  GMBH written at bottom
schloss vollrads wine estate etching numbered 166/200
The Wehlener Sonnenuhr vineyard numbered 143/200

this i know so far so its only the artist i cant read properly
i got these in London UK from a charity shop
regards
jamie

[mart]

Oh !!  So these were purchased by someone who visited the winery !!  I know many wineries do have events and offer items as souvenirs !!  They are dated 79 and  I assume that is 1979 !!  Are they still in business ??

[Raven31557]

It's called  " Wehlener Sonnenuhr "

That would be Wehlener Sundial.
Wehlener being a town in Germany.

My friend says the signature looks like it may end in "berg"

[mart]

http://drloosen.com/vines/wehlener-sonnenuhr/

The etching is how it looked in 1979,,here it is today !!  What I would do is just call the winery and ask who did the etchings for them !! Or send them an email with the pics !!  Its a large operation so I imagine they would know !!