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Pilgrim Painted Box
« on: November 12, 2016, 11:07:31 am »
Hmmmmm, oh hell yeah, i am interested! That paint looks to good to be true though, no condition report so i inquired, the cotter pin hinges do not look original when looking at top of box, hard to say for sure by pic's alone. Although these early boxes are the most plentiful pilgrim era objects available, they are not "bible" boxes but that's what everyone calls them today. No one knows exactly what these boxes were called or used for back in the day however, the most likely function of these boxes were for personal items. That makes the most sense since families back then did not have separate bedrooms, having a box to store your own very personal items seems logical.
In any event, it is an early american box, all original or not.
https://new.liveauctioneers.com/item/49072026?from=alert&utm_source=SavedAlert&utm_campaign=SearchAlert&utm_medium=email&utm_content=item
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Re: Pilgrim Painted Box
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2016, 12:01:51 pm »
Very nice Jacon4 !!  I have heard them most often called document boxes or deed boxes !!
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Re: Pilgrim Painted Box
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2016, 01:42:31 pm »
Well, they are ALWAYS listed as "bible" boxes, a term that came into being during the victorian era, long after this box came into the world. Where's Hosman! here is a chance to own a genuine early object! so what if hinges and paint are later, still a pilgrim era piece!
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Re: Pilgrim Painted Box
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2016, 05:19:05 pm »
Send her a PM !!  What do you think it will sell for ??
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Re: Pilgrim Painted Box
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2016, 06:40:47 pm »
I emailed her, don't know where she got off to. Value? well, as always condition plays a large role usually, if the paint is not original that's a big deal so value should be lowered. The decoration seems more like mid 18th century to me in a Pennsylvania style. Estimate is 1-3k, I'd say that's pretty close, it is an early box. I'd be a player in the 1000-1500 range, depending on what they say to my questions.
Remember Ruth's box? ugh, i am still ill over losing that one.
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Re: Pilgrim Painted Box
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2016, 06:59:04 pm »
It was November, thanksgiving sale like now, MAN i wanted that box, estimate was 1-2k, i was willing to go 4k, how could i lose?! PAINFUL! it went for over 8k, KILLER BOX! BOTTOM REPLACED! REPLACED LOCK! REPAINTED! but, i lost, BIG TIME! Ruth's box went for over 8k.

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Re: Pilgrim Painted Box
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2016, 02:59:19 am »
What's "Pilgim"? 
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Re: Pilgrim Painted Box
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2016, 03:23:35 am »
What's "Pilgim"?

"pilgrim" century furniture refers to furniture built from 1620-1720. It is mostly joined or turned, riven oak in the jacobean style, it is quite boxy & chunky in appearance and furniture was built this way for hundreds of years, from the middle ages onward. The William & Mary style changed EVERYTHING! in furniture , not only in style but construction as well when dovetails started to dominate in how furniture was built.
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Re: Pilgrim Painted Box
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2016, 03:52:27 pm »
Ruth's box is too cool.
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Re: Pilgrim Painted Box
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2016, 05:11:34 pm »
Yeah, it's probably a wedding box, one of my more painful losses and, unlike the bird chest i am very unlikely to get a second chance.
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Re: Pilgrim Painted Box
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2016, 06:06:11 pm »
I don`t remember seeing Ruths box  !!   That back is just butt joined and nailed (current box)!!   Is that a repair to the top ?? Under side,, right !!  It isn`t the same as the left side !!
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Re: Pilgrim Painted Box
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2016, 02:03:13 am »
I don`t remember seeing Ruths box  !!
I'll never forget it!

That back is just butt joined and nailed (current box)!!
No, it's a ship lap joint, the sides of box are rabbeted to accept front & back panel, then nailed. common construction in early boxes

Is that a repair to the top ?? Under side,, right !!
Yeah, i noticed it, can't really tell what's going on there from pics
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Re: Pilgrim Painted Box
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2016, 07:07:05 am »
Your eyes are better than mine !!
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Re: Pilgrim Painted Box
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2016, 07:13:19 am »
lol, my EVERYTHING is better than yours! BAM!
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Re: Pilgrim Painted Box
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2016, 05:14:26 pm »
Now lets not get personal, Jacon4 !!   ;D   ;D
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