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Re: Brass Candlesticks --- Trying to find help with dating them
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2018, 06:51:44 am »
SophieMarie,

If you look at the 1st two pictures in Reply #4 it is obvious that the “screw” in the base of each pedestal appears to serve no practical purpose. That is why I “jokingly” implied that the brass pedestals could be “hollow”, but filled with sand to provide sufficient weight …… with a “cap” screw to retain the sand inside the pedestal.

And “WHOOPS”  :o :o :o ……. while I was composing the above I got a subconscious memory “interrupt” that informed me (my conscious mind) that the candlestick pedestal was specifically designed to be “multi-purpose” for use on different bases.

Thus the “threaded” end of the pedestal was for attaching a “brass” base, …… and the “screws” in the end of the pedestal was for attaching a “marble” base, …… like so, to wit:


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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2018, 08:13:13 am »
Good morning!

Thank you ALL for your information on these candlesticks, I appreciate your help very much dating the candlesticks! :)


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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2018, 09:02:09 am »
I think these are indeed filled as Cogar said,, and the screw was to prevent sand from falling out !!  Like Cogar said many times these were made to be used with different bases !!  Didn`t even think about that one Cogar,, thanks !!

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« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2018, 10:49:40 am »

And “WHOOPS”  :o :o :o ……. while I was composing the above I got a subconscious memory “interrupt” that informed me (my conscious mind) that the candlestick pedestal was specifically designed to be “multi-purpose” for use on different bases.

Thus the “threaded” end of the pedestal was for attaching a “brass” base, …… and the “screws” in the end of the pedestal was for attaching a “marble” base, …… like so, to wit:
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I like your subconscious memory "interrupt"....very useful!  It's wonderful when we talk ourselves thru things:)
Great insight Cogar!!!

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« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2018, 01:38:33 pm »
Its a group effort here !!  No one knows everything !!  We are just one big family putting our heads together to solve the puzzle !! 

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« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2018, 07:31:12 pm »
It sure is Mart....and, that's what makes it fun!

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« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2018, 05:44:13 am »
YUP, two heads, …… or three or four or more is oftentimes better than just one.

Like when someone invents a revolutionary new “mousetrap”, it is not very long before other people start “inventing” improvements that make it an even better “mousetrap”.

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« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2018, 10:55:35 am »
Speaking of mouse traps, what do you think about the SpaceX launch?

https://youtu.be/msn7xbfEHoA

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« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2018, 01:19:16 pm »
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about the SpaceX launch?

I don't pay much attention to space "shots" or the "blue sky" dreams of exploring the cosmos for mining minerals. The same "blue sky" dreamers are claiming Computers will soon be functioning via use of Artificial Intelligence software applications and/or Operating Systems.

And especially anyone silly enough to think they might discover an intelligent life form out there somewhere in our galaxy.

And I'm not saying that there isn't an intelligent life form out there somewhere, I'm only saying that our current species of humans are not going to contact it.

SophieMarie, there are a dozen or so archeological sites on present day earth that are constructed out of stone or remnants of stone construction that we, present day humans, ....... don't have a clue who actually built/constructed them, ..... how old they actually are (thousands to ten-of-thousands of years BP) ..... or the tools and knowledge that was prerequisite for the building/constructing of said "historical" sites.

The Great Pyramid of Giza and the Sphynx in Egypt, ..... Mauchu Picchu in Peru, ...... the stone ruins of Puma Punku in Bolivia ....... and the stone ruins at Gobekli Tepe in southeastern Turkey are just a few of the "un-explainables".

If we are clueless about our "past" ..... it is highly unlikely we will have success at predicting out future.

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« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2018, 06:07:33 pm »
I am with Cogar !!  I think its a ridiculous waste of money !!  I mean,, they sent a car to space,, who is going to use use it ??

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« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2018, 10:51:29 pm »
I am with Cogar !!  I think its a ridiculous waste of money !!  I mean,, they sent a car to space,, who is going to use use it ??

As of February 2018, Elon Musk has a net worth of $20.8 billion and is listed by Forbes as the 53rd richest person in the world.  So if the man wants to send his Tesla Roadster into orbit around the moon, he can afford to do it!  The Tesla Roadster which was produced from 2008-2012, had a base price of $109,000 in the U.S. in 2010. Is that a lot of money to most people...sure it is!
 
But, people are still trying to track the car with the dummy copilot called “Starman” as they make their way through space.  That’s the kind of excitement that stimulates our society today.  So as a marketing tool, it was a success for both SpaceX and Tesla.  As you know, Musk is the founder, CEO, and lead designer of Space Exploration Technologies (SpaceX); co-founder, CEO, and product architect of Tesla

At SpaceX, Musk oversees the development and manufacturing of advanced rockets and spacecraft for missions to and beyond Earth orbit, with the goal of creating a self-sustaining city on Mars.  I know, you are saying Mars?  But with science, I have learned one main point…you may be experimenting for one thing and end up learning or inventing something else. 

On February 6, 2018, SpaceX successfully launched the Falcon Heavy, the fourth-highest capacity rocket ever built (after Saturn V, Energia and N1) and the most powerful rocket in operation as of 2018. The inaugural mission carried a Tesla Roadster belonging to Musk as a dummy payload as you already know.  But, the company has completed other tasks which may be unknown to you:

http://www.spacex.com/about

At Tesla, Musk oversees all product development, engineering, and design of the company's electric vehicles, battery products, and solar roofs.

Since the company’s inception in 2003, Tesla’s mission has been to accelerate the transition to a sustainable energy future. The first Tesla product, the Roadster sports car, debuted in 2008, followed by the Model S sedan, which was introduced in 2012, and the Model X SUV, which launched in 2015. Model S was named Motor Trend 2013 Car of the Year, received Consumer Reports’ Best Overall Car and earned the highest-ever safety rating awarded by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. In 2017, Tesla began deliveries of Model 3, a $35,000 mass-market electric car with over 215 miles of range, and unveiled Tesla Semi, which is designed to save owners at least $200,000 over a million miles based on fuel costs alone.

In 2015, Tesla introduced two energy storage products, the Powerwall home battery and the Powerpack industrial-scale battery. In 2016, Tesla acquired SolarCity, the leading provider of solar power systems in the United States, and in 2017 released Solar Roof, a beautiful and affordable energy generation product.  If you want to read more about Tesla, here you go:

https://www.tesla.com/about

Elon Musk is also CEO of Neuralink, which is developing ultra-high bandwidth brain-machine interfaces to connect humans and computers, and co-founder and chairman of OpenAI, a non-profit research company working to build safe artificial intelligence and ensure that AI's benefits are as widely and evenly distributed as possible.

https://www.neuralink.com/

https://openai.com/about/

However, I heard today that Elon stepped down from his chairman position so there will not be a conflict of interest between Tesla and OpenAI.  His long term position at Tesla is to produce self driving cars.  He will continue to provide funding for OpenAI.
Elon also founded and serves as CEO of The Boring Company, which aims to increase tunneling speed and drop costs in order to build a large network of tunnels, solving the problem of “soul-destroying traffic”.  And, this is one of my favorites as they have already started some of the projects:

https://www.boringcompany.com/faq/

I bet you are glad that I'm done for now.  PS.  I'd start looking at lithium stocks :)
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Re: Brass Candlesticks --- Trying to find help with dating them
« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2018, 12:14:36 am »
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about the SpaceX launch?

I don't pay much attention to space "shots" or the "blue sky" dreams of exploring the cosmos for mining minerals. The same "blue sky" dreamers are claiming Computers will soon be functioning via use of Artificial Intelligence software applications and/or Operating Systems.

And especially anyone silly enough to think they might discover an intelligent life form out there somewhere in our galaxy.

And I'm not saying that there isn't an intelligent life form out there somewhere, I'm only saying that our current species of humans are not going to contact it.

SophieMarie, there are a dozen or so archeological sites on present day earth that are constructed out of stone or remnants of stone construction that we, present day humans, ....... don't have a clue who actually built/constructed them, ..... how old they actually are (thousands to ten-of-thousands of years BP) ..... or the tools and knowledge that was prerequisite for the building/constructing of said "historical" sites.

The Great Pyramid of Giza and the Sphynx in Egypt, ..... Mauchu Picchu in Peru, ...... the stone ruins of Puma Punku in Bolivia ....... and the stone ruins at Gobekli Tepe in southeastern Turkey are just a few of the "un-explainables".

If we are clueless about our "past" ..... it is highly unlikely we will have success at predicting out future.

Cheers

Cogar,

Maybe I'm a dreamer but I'm not the only one (John Lennon)!  I don't actually think of it as "predicting our future", but rather molding it.  In other words, if we don't experiment or learn than we don't progress.  I'm not certain if there is "intelligent life" out there or not, but I'd like to believe there is somehow.  What do you mean that "our current species of humans are not going to contact it"?

I read an interesting article on 10 Breakthrough Technologies in 2017 by MIT:

https://www.technologyreview.com/lists/technologies/2017/

All of the topics listed are worth reading, but I'd like you to check the one on "Reinforcement Learning By experimenting, computers are figuring out how to do things that no programmer could teach them".  I'd like to know what you think as it is not software teaching them to learn! 

You might also like the ones on Self Driving Trucks and Paying by Facial Recognition.  I'm sure you've heard about the self driving taxis and cars.  Also, at my place of employment, people pay for food via finger print scanning.

Also, about those dozen or so archeological sites .... the "un-explainables" - maybe we weren't meant to know everything that happened before us...sometimes we just don't have enough information.  Very frustrating, I know.  But I'd like to believe in the future we'll figure it out :) 



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« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2018, 12:57:34 pm »
Sophie, a response to your questions, requires a long post even for brief answers:

So saidith Sam C:
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“If we are clueless about our "past" ..... it is highly unlikely we will have success at predicting our future.”

Sophie Marie, I stated the above as a per se, “paraphrase” of …… “if you ignore your past actions, you are doomed to repeat them”. Well “DUH”, we cannot, and are not, “ignoring our past”, simply because we don’t have much of a clue what our past was. Thus, “predicting” is all we can do. Aka: like predicting the climate.

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“What do you mean that "our current species of humans are not going to contact it"?”

Several reasons why.
1. It might contact us, but not vice-versa.
2. Anarchy will cause us to “self-destruct” before any contact occurs.
3. The closest star to our Solar System is Proxima Centauri, about 4.24 light years away.
4. The nearest potentially habitual planet for intelligent life is 12 light-years away.
        Note: 1 light year is nearly 6 trillion miles
5. The current human race has only been capable of communicating vast distances for less than 115 years (1906), ….. thus, out of the past 6,000 to 15,000 years of current human intelligence there has only been an “80 year window of opportunity” via which “contact” via radio was possible. And if there was, or is, an intelligent entity on another planet, what was, or is, their “window of opportunity” in respect to ours? If the "windows" don't overlap ..... then no can converse. And the "stars" that we can see from earth are so far out in space that they all could have exploded and disappeared 50,000 years ago and we wouldn't even know it happened.

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"Reinforcement Learning By experimenting, computers are figuring out how to do things that no programmer could teach them".  I'd like to know what you think as it is not software teaching them to learn

Sophie Marie, don’t you be believing such “tripe n’ piffle” such as you related above.

“DUH”, the programmers are creating the “program code” that instructs the “APP”, or application software how to “figure out how to do new things” and to record how it was done so that it can be “repeated”.

Sophie, current electronic computer design is incapable of ever acquiring AI (Artificial Intelligence) that mimics the human brain/mind, …….. simply because, as best as I can describe it, …….. the brain/mind is a biological self-programming super-computer with unlimited data storage capacity, multiple virtual processors, ……… all functioning concurrent with each other …… via a memory storage addressing scheme that is “data/info” orientated rather than “address” orientated/partitioned.

Sophie, the brain/mind “uploads” environmental data via the sense organs and stores it in the DNA of the brain neurons and then “links” that data to “associated” data in other neurons via a “synapse” or synaptic connections. A single neuron can have as many as 10,000 synapses.   

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“You might also like the ones on Self Driving Trucks and Paying by Facial Recognition.  I'm sure you've heard about the self driving taxis and cars.  Also, at my place of employment, people pay for food via finger print scanning.”

Sophie, the above is nothing more than a highly revised “modern version” of an old, old technology that was first installed in “vending machines” in 1960, ….. the “dollar bill changer”. And then in June 1974 another version of “scanner”, the first UPC (bar code) scanner was installed at Marsh's supermarket in Troy, Ohio.

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“Also, about those dozen or so archeological sites .... the "un-explainables" - maybe we weren't meant to know everything that happened before us...sometimes we just don't have enough information.”

“HA”, humans have evolved to be “curious” animals and a few of us want to know what happened. But we have two (2) very BIG problems, ….. one is the NIH mindset (Not Invented Here) and the second one is an avid belief in Monotheism. Both of the afore noted are a great hindrance to education and/or discoveries.

Sophie, I have written 3 0r 4 commentaries on the above subject, that you might find interesting, but they are far to long to be posting here on.

Cheers

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« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2018, 02:46:26 pm »
I came across this short Kovels video on dating brass candlesticks that I think will be helpful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-7-EXVYWyU
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« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2018, 08:05:56 pm »
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