Author Topic: I did my searches and came up with nothing. Any ideas? "General Washington"  (Read 9518 times)

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The more I look at this it seems it could be a piece cut out of a larger piece?!?

When I enlarge this new picture - it appears to have the look of imprint of material - quilting.
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It is a woven metal.  Sort of like a window screen, but a very tight weave.  Light barely goes through it except for some pin holes here and there.

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Permalink Reply by tomsantiquesetceter a on Tuesday

General Washington doesn't necessarily mean George Washington. In the 1800s there was a tobacco by that name, plugs and pipe types. Maybe your item was a tag on a case or bag of tobacco. You say it's paper, but could it be linen?

Where did you get it? What's its history? Did prior owner know anything?

http://iantiqueonline.ning.com/group/whadjafind/forum/topics/warranted-general-washington-handmade-any-ideas-what-and-why?commentId=1813674%3AComment%3A1436792&xg_source=activity&groupId=1813674%3AGroup%3A1072787

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Permalink Reply by tomsantiquesetceter a on Tuesday

General Washington doesn't necessarily mean George Washington. In the 1800s there was a tobacco by that name, plugs and pipe types. Maybe your item was a tag on a case or bag of tobacco. You say it's paper, but could it be linen?

Where did you get it? What's its history? Did prior owner know anything?

http://iantiqueonline.ning.com/group/whadjafind/forum/topics/warranted-general-washington-handmade-any-ideas-what-and-why?commentId=1813674%3AComment%3A1436792&xg_source=activity&groupId=1813674%3AGroup%3A1072787

That's me in another forum trying to find out what this is.

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Re: I did my searches and came up with nothing. Any ideas? "General Washington"
« Reply #34 on: September 01, 2018, 11:45:50 pm »
I think it is about whiskey!

And, that you have an embossed design label from either a whiskey bottle/decanter or a decorative box.  However, I am leaning toward the latter.

By 1799, George Washington had become one of the largest whiskey producers in the United States. The historic Mount Vernon distillery still produces whiskey and spirits today.

https://www.mountvernon.org/the-estate-gardens/distillery/

I was unable to locate your label but did find some interesting recipe facts.

The recipe for Washington’s whiskey was discovered by researchers examining the distillery ledgers from 1798 and 1799. His whiskey consisted of 60% rye, 35% corn and 5% malted barley. The records also indicate that George Washington’s whiskey was distilled at least twice before being sent to market. During Washington’s lifetime whiskey was not aged and was sold in its original form.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2018, 11:56:45 pm by SophieMarie »

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Re: I did my searches and came up with nothing. Any ideas? "General Washington"
« Reply #35 on: September 02, 2018, 06:23:42 am »
I saw all that too SophieMarie but decided that if it were a liquor,, it would not say "Hand Made " !!  Hand Made would indicate a solid product !!  And if it were a box type,, what would be on the outside would be relative to whats on the inside !!  No one would care if the decorative box was hand made or not !!
Would have more likely said "Double Distilled" or something about how it was made !!


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Re: I did my searches and came up with nothing. Any ideas? "General Washington"
« Reply #37 on: September 03, 2018, 01:24:30 pm »
I guess they may have used that term before the lawsuits but nothing shows up to have ever used the "General Washington" name !!  Everything was George Washington !!  Personally I do not think it was liquor related !!  The distillery has been in operation since 2007 and only produces a relatively small number of bottles !!  It should show up somewhere !!

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Re: I did my searches and came up with nothing. Any ideas? "General Washington"
« Reply #38 on: September 03, 2018, 02:07:25 pm »
Mart, actually George Washington distilled spirits in the 1700's!  The current distillery does make/sell spirits (which are usually sold out before they are finished being produced).  We have actually been there and enjoyed the historical story of our only Founding Father to own a commercial distillery.  However, in his time it wasn't bottled and logo'd like it is today but put in barrels that would be distributed to merchants for sale.
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Re: I did my searches and came up with nothing. Any ideas? "General Washington"
« Reply #39 on: September 03, 2018, 03:44:01 pm »
Given the fact that the item in question is marked “warranted” and “handmade” it is obviously a product “logo” that was either:

1. affixed to or accompanied a wholesale/retail product;

2. was a “template” used for creating “advertising” for said wholesale/retail product;

3. is an actual advertising “item”  for the aforesaid wholesale/retail product that was given to vendors of said product.

And given the fact that said “logo” states said item is “warranted” ….. to wit:

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tr.v. war·rant·ed,
a.  To guarantee (a product).
b.  To guarantee (a purchaser) indemnification against damage or loss.
Source:  https://www.thefreedictionary.com/warranted

It is of my learned opinion that the item in question is defined as being ,,,,,

durable goods” - goods not for immediate consumption and able to be kept for a period of time.

And ps: long after GW’s time, whiskey was “BONDED”, ….. but never ”WARRANTED”.


A bit of whiskey trivia, to wit:

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The Whiskey Rebellion (also known as the Whiskey Insurrection) was a tax protest in the United States beginning in 1791 during the presidency of George Washington. The so-called "whiskey tax" was the first tax imposed on a domestic product by the newly formed federal government. It became law in 1791, and was intended to generate revenue for the war debt incurred during the Revolutionary War. The tax applied to all distilled spirits, but American whiskey was by far the country's most popular distilled beverage in the 18th century, so the excise became widely known as a "whiskey tax". Farmers of the western frontier were accustomed to distilling their surplus rye, barley, wheat, corn, or fermented grain mixtures into whiskey. These farmers resisted the tax. In these regions, whiskey often served as a medium of exchange. Many of the resisters were …..
Read more @  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion
« Last Edit: September 03, 2018, 03:51:07 pm by cogar »

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Re: I did my searches and came up with nothing. Any ideas? "General Washington"
« Reply #40 on: September 03, 2018, 05:53:38 pm »
My thinking as well Cogar !!   Yes I know all that KC But late 1700`s the original distillery burned down !!

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Re: I did my searches and came up with nothing. Any ideas? "General Washington"
« Reply #41 on: September 03, 2018, 11:30:34 pm »
Yes it did burn burn burn Mart!  :) 

Cogar you did a great detailed/numbered appeal!
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Re: I did my searches and came up with nothing. Any ideas? "General Washington"
« Reply #43 on: September 04, 2018, 07:55:02 am »
I thank all of you for your research!  I find it amazing that of the billions of web pages on the internet, so far nothing shows up for this product or it's history!

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Re: I did my searches and came up with nothing. Any ideas? "General Washington"
« Reply #44 on: September 04, 2018, 01:04:59 pm »
SophieMarie, pertaining to your "warranted" bottle link.

Looks to me like that bottle was "machine" made which means its origin is post-1880.

And one can call most any bottle a "whiskey bottle" but that doesn't prove it was specifically made for the retail whiskey business.

Anyway, more relevant trivia which I can not authenicate, to wit:

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Excerpted from:  https://thewhiskeywash.com/whiskey-styles/bourbon/advent-of-the-bourbon-bottle/

For most of the 19th century the barrel was the major package for selling bourbon to consumers. The distillers would sell the barrel either to a saloon or spirits shop, and that business would sell to the consumer. Glass was expensive and very few retail establishments bottled the bourbon. Instead, they depended upon the consumer to bring their own flask or jug.

Glass bottles were still very expensive even into the 1880s when a machine-made bottle started to drive down prices.


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Excerpted from:  http://www.gobourbon.com/dating-old-whiskey-bottles-from-the-19th-century/

The 19th century produced few whiskey bottles compared to the 20th century. For most of the century Bourbon and Rye whiskeys were sold by the distiller in the barrel. A few retailers offered bottled whiskey to customers but the majority of the consumers furnished their own bottle, flask or jug and had it filled from the barrel. It is not until the 1880s that machine blown glass bottles were developed, making it profitable for distillers to bottle their own product.