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Re: Identity Unknown (Furniture origin)
« Reply #60 on: September 22, 2019, 05:59:37 pm »
I had baskets of skeleton keys that I bought for a few dollars per dozen !!  I could always find one that matched the locks !!  They are almost universal !!

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Re: Identity Unknown (Furniture origin)
« Reply #61 on: September 23, 2019, 10:52:20 pm »
I found a locksmith in Bedford who said he could make keys for me, no problem...but I'd have to haul the cabinet to him, and leave it for a while.  Honestly, now that I have it I don't want to take it anywhere.

Actually it's not the TAKING part that bothers me...it's the LEAVING part that makes me nervous.

Any recommendations on a locksmith who might come this far west and do keys for me? Or where I might pick up some keys to try? I saw some on line that sold as a set, didn't know if they'd be worth the effort. I think they were about $30.

 

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« Reply #62 on: September 24, 2019, 04:51:58 am »
Now I have been thinking, since those lock mechanisms are not complicated, that iffen it was my chest that I fashion a piece of flat metal with a handle and blade ….. in the shape of a “key” that could be inserted in the lock mechanism.

Then I would put like a 1/16th inch of wax, modeling clay or whatever on the blade. Then insert into the lock ….. and slowly turn it counter-clockwise until it stops, …... then untwist (unturn) and remove it …… and iffen you are lucky, ….. the shape of the needed key will be impressed (molded) in the wax, etc.

Then I would make the key to match the “mold”.   8) 8) 8)

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Re: Identity Unknown (Furniture origin)
« Reply #63 on: September 24, 2019, 01:28:12 pm »
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.Xskeleton+keys.TRS0&_nkw=skeleton+keys&_sacat=0

Skeleton keys are not hard to match !!  For much less than you would pay for a locksmith just buy a bunch and try them !!  If we shop owners could do it,, so can you !!  You might have to wiggle it a little !!  Not a single shop owner that I knew back then ever called a locksmith !!  We kept a stash of skeleton keys !!
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Re: Identity Unknown (Furniture origin)
« Reply #64 on: September 24, 2019, 02:04:50 pm »
The ones I had for my French Cabinets were  difficult and required turning the key 3 times around to unlock all the locks (6 on the one cabinet and 3 different keys). 

I totally trust Michael's keys (817) 581-8992 and know they have more locations  in Mid Cities nearest you.  It's worth a phone call! 
I'm from the South - but please don't mistake my Southern Manners/Accent/Charm as a weakness!

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Re: Identity Unknown (Furniture origin)
« Reply #65 on: September 24, 2019, 02:26:18 pm »
The ones I had for my French Cabinets were  difficult and required turning the key 3 times around to unlock all the locks (6 on the one cabinet and 3 different keys)

Yeah, european locks can be a pain, why i suggested just disable them, easier all round but still, you gotta get door open first so there is that.  :P

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Re: Identity Unknown (Furniture origin)
« Reply #66 on: September 24, 2019, 10:24:54 pm »
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.Xskeleton+keys.TRS0&_nkw=skeleton+keys&_sacat=0

Skeleton keys are not hard to match !!  For much less than you would pay for a locksmith just buy a bunch and try them !!  If we shop owners could do it,, so can you !!  You might have to wiggle it a little !!  Not a single shop owner that I knew back then ever called a locksmith !!  We kept a stash of skeleton keys !!

Great idea! I'll go shopping tomorrow...several places close by that might have some keys  :-)

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Re: Identity Unknown (Furniture origin)
« Reply #67 on: September 24, 2019, 10:29:17 pm »
The ones I had for my French Cabinets were  difficult and required turning the key 3 times around to unlock all the locks (6 on the one cabinet and 3 different keys). 

I totally trust Michael's keys (817) 581-8992 and know they have more locations  in Mid Cities nearest you.  It's worth a phone call!

Thank you, I will keep this number and call if I can't find a key on my own. There are some shops here in town that might have a few. Worth a shot!

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Re: Identity Unknown (Furniture origin)
« Reply #68 on: September 24, 2019, 10:31:07 pm »
The ones I had for my French Cabinets were  difficult and required turning the key 3 times around to unlock all the locks (6 on the one cabinet and 3 different keys)

Yeah, european locks can be a pain, why i suggested just disable them, easier all round but still, you gotta get door open first so there is that.  :P

Totally agree about leaving the locks open!  :-)

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Re: Identity Unknown (Furniture origin)
« Reply #69 on: September 25, 2019, 03:36:04 am »
Totally agree about leaving the locks open!  :-)

Yes, I had a bad experience years ago with an 18th century painted blanket chest, It had it's lock but no key.  After it arrived, i turned it up on it's end to examine the bottom, BIG MISTAKE! I hear this "click", what was that? i wondered.  Soon realized lock had LOCKED ITSELF! so i figured, no problem, I'll just turn it up on other end and lock will unlock itself? KEEP DREAMING!
Took me days  of messing with lock to get it open and when i did, disabled the lock.  Lesson learned the hard way, disable the lock ( if there is one) as soon as the piece arrives!

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Re: Identity Unknown (Furniture origin)
« Reply #70 on: September 25, 2019, 08:58:09 pm »
Wow, thanks for the heads up.  Would never have dreamed that would happen.

I'm shopping on line for key sets.  :-)

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Re: Identity Unknown (Furniture origin)
« Reply #71 on: September 26, 2019, 02:34:07 pm »
Check the link I posted above !!

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Re: Identity Unknown (Furniture origin)
« Reply #72 on: September 27, 2019, 09:00:05 pm »
Ok, here's the latest development in this saga of this cabinet:

A friend told me about a local locksmith who was exclusively mobile and I called him. His prices were reasonable so I went for it...he had a key made in about 15 minutes, using a barrel blank I already had. He just cut it a little.  He told me to keep looking in shops for old keys of the same size, and he could stop by and cut more. Apparently ordering a blank in this size would be about $20, so this will give me an excuse to prowl some antique places.

NOW, when the upper cabinet was opened, I discovered a medallion fixed to the back wall on the right, which would have been above the phonograph player. It says "Cheney Talking Machine Company". I looked them up and, as near as I can tell, someone had this cabinet modified not only for the "talking machine" but the left side has some added wood that's clearly for organizing/storing vinyl records.  That bit is not all there but it's definitely made with a machine, and has screws in it. (Even the locks don't have screws, nor do the hinges).

My working theory is that someone wanted a phonograph player (the new very expensive one...it cost $240 in 1914) but didn't like the look of the cabinets, so they had one built into this cabinet, which is much bigger and more ornate than the cabinets made for the machines. The company was in Chicago but I suppose someone could have built it into the cabinet elsewhere...still, the fact that they'd go to the trouble of mounting that medallion makes me think it might have been done by the factory.

I'm adding new photos, and giving a shout out to Travis, who made my new key.  :-) 

If anyone knows anything about this new twist in the story, I'm all ears.  Thanks!

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Re: Identity Unknown (Furniture origin)
« Reply #73 on: September 28, 2019, 02:34:00 am »
Very Cool! glad you got doors open, or some open anyway.
It also helps date your cab, you now know it was made before 1914.
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Re: Identity Unknown (Furniture origin)
« Reply #74 on: September 28, 2019, 09:56:49 am »
Yes, I am thrilled! And lucky for me, the lock was the same on all four doors, so I only needed the one key...we only had the one blank that was big enough. He suggested I use a stretch cord to actually attach it somewhere inside the drawer (which has no lock) so there would never be any danger of losing it. I am going to make an attempt to find another key of similar size before doing that.

I am so hooked on old furniture now.  :-)

Thanks for all the help!